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I was in reds cast Friday night she did everything right she is a real nice dog and if the guys saying she didn't earn the score had been whiped by her thay would know she is real capable of 2025+ I know I do. And mike knows his dog and called her just as she was doing mr. Bellar put use in coon and gave us the chance to win same as mike had. Red and mike just flat WON. Lol mike and russ I sure would like another shot at ya thow lol_______________________kevin cable

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You guys always seem to make it personal, choose sides and squabble like a bunch of kids. In doing so the real issues go out the window. The question posted was about hunting in a 2 dog cast and the advantage that gives someone. FACT competing in a 4 dog cast basically guarantees you will be a looser against a 2 dog cast all other things being equal. FACT would a guy with deep pockets be able to manipylate the rules to his advantage by greasing a few pockets YEP. Does this happen? sure it does.
The only thing UKC. can do is try to create a format for these hunts that provides as level a playing field as possible and i think they do the best they can.

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this one aint gone last long after that post.....poof!

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I was in reds cast Friday night she did everything right she is a real nice dog and if the guys saying she didn't earn the score had been whiped by her thay would know she is real capable of 2025+ I know I do. And mike knows his dog and called her just as she was doing mr. Bellar put use in coon and gave us the chance to win same as mike had. Red and mike just flat WON. Lol mike and russ I sure would like another shot at ya thow lol_______________________kevin cable

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There you go.....If you dont have guides lined up this is the best situation you can hope for at a big hunt.

If you arent stacking the deck for yourself, you have to hope to be lucky enough to draw someone that has.

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Yep the best situation possible so explain why half the cast would withdraw before the first drop?

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Who cares what they do with some homegrown deer ... or them overgrown rodents in the wild ... if someone would extinct-icate them all I'd give them a medal.

If yall wanna see some game laws broke ... just follow around some coonhunters ... between coonhunting and the dance hall fights ... the law could make a living just following me around .

Yall gotta realize ....a two dog cast , guided into someone's honey hole ... and with a powerhouse on the leash ... is gonna win these big hunts ... which of the handful of teams that match that criteria is just luck of the draw ...

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Who cares what they do with some homegrown deer ... or them overgrown rodents in the wild ... if someone would extinct-icate them all I'd give them a medal.

If yall wanna see some game laws broke ... just follow around some coonhunters ... between coonhunting and the dance hall fights ... the law could make a living just following me around .

Yall gotta realize ....a two dog cast , guided into someone's honey hole ... and with a powerhouse on the leash ... is gonna win these big hunts ... which of the handful of teams that match that criteria is just luck of the draw ...

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why is it the same guys always end up with 2 dog cast in a honey hole on fri and sat when the high score on thurs was 967 arent the dogs in the lee crawford hunt power houses and why do some get the honey hole w 2 dog cast year after year that is a coon every 12 mins i myself have never seen 2 grand nights honor each other enough to score a coon every 12 mins but it is possible if yall feel it isnt a fair hu nt dont go no more we arent we are done with walker days

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WHAT BIG HUNT FORMAT IS IT THAT YOU ARE SO SUCCESSFUL IN?

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john monroe won in 1974 w finly river joe w 875 in 3 hr hunt w joe house in the same cast im sure these boys were hunting coondogs at princton in

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lol ya you are a good role modle , if you think its ok to drug deer and have to poke them with a stick to get them to move so someone can shoot them then im glad you live in OK ,stay down there and do what bellar did and maybe you can get a few felonys on your record as well, oh unless you have enough cash to make it all go away then pretend it didnt happen

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ALL I CAN SAY IS CONGRATULATIONS TEAM BELLAR!!

ANOTHER KANE PRODUCT WINS AGAIN!!!

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I'd really hate to know I had a dog that covered on 9 coon in 2 hr...Dang!

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john monroe won in 1974 w finly river joe w 875 in 3 hr hunt w joe house in the same cast im sure these boys were hunting coondogs at princton in

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I guess I'm not as smart as bellar and his team. If I owned a surefire winner like lil red I would be hunting every big money ?kc events out there. The heck with the trophy's. I don't see any reason why she should't double up on scores in those kc's as well? Bet that dog could win a million before she dies. I would love to hunt with her one time. bet a lil red video would be a good seller as well mr.bellar I know I would buy it. Hey do you need a dog promotor on your team? lol

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i dont think the issue here is the dog. she did her job and did it well. i think all the questions are being asked about the 2 dogs cast situation and the honey holes all the time. right?

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cheat or be cheated!!!!!

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I agree something sounds fishy!!!!!!!! But one shouldn't point the finger without facts. If its something shady going on it will come out in the wash always does. Maybe the man has a lucky charm and good carma and it just happens that way for him?

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I have the solution U.K.C should have a hunt were it is all one dog cast charge a $50 entry fee and give everyone a $5 trophy that will be the only way to make some of these guy's happy and U.K.C will make $45 a dog.

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Aint it funny how all coonhunters dream of everything going perfect and winning a big hunt, knowing full well if it happens they will be labeled a cheat and a liar.

Nobody in the history of coonhounds, has ever put more effort into getting a dog ready for a hunt than Bellar.
As ive said before, it borders on insanity.

I have hunted dogs for him for 10 yrs or so and I still shake my head in disbelief after almost every nite I hunt with him when he is on a mission. About the time im thinking that bed would sure feel good, he literaly starts running to and from trees to get more drops in before daylite, and this goes on nite after nite after nite.
Ive seen him produce a chainsaw from the truck and make absolute sure a tree (his own property)was slick or not.
He puts a lot of effort into KNOWING where the coon are at and at what time, he leaves very little to "hope". And no, there are no feeders.
After running a clock for him the week before walker days and knowing how ready the dog was, the only thing that surprised me was that the score wassnt higher.

You can say hes lucky, say hes a cheat, say he wins because he has money, but I for a fact know how he does it. Its by having more drive and want-to than anyone else. Your sure not gonna beat him by getting on here and whining and crying because he won another.

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To Lil Red ON HER WIN !!I would love to get drawn out on her cast,and get beat just to see what it takes to win BIG!!.She wins a high % of her cast with big scores.

PS.Maybe RedDogs Can Win

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Russ is the Tiger Woods of the coonhunting world. Tons of talent and great dogs. I wonder how all the other golfers would feel if the PGA. let tiger pick his own course to play on and the cups were a little bigger than normal?
Man i sure would love to chew the fat with the other 3 guys whose names were on that card.

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It sure must be awful to be so jealous of someone ,as some of you are of Bellar.This must be so because i don't hear anyone on here even mentioning all of the other cast winners that had from 1,ooo to 1,875 plus points.Surely all of those hunters cheated too.After all,that is only 150 points less than bellar had.Why is no one crying about those scores.This is an equal opportunity board,it's alright to b---h about them too.

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ITS CALLED NEAR SIGHTED ...LOL.... pick one target at the top and shoot for it.....I just watched the TV clip on TEAM TRACKMAN and would love to see the next one on LIL RED....If 875+ won a hunt 35 years ago when every coon treed was shot or every other person trapped back in the day...Why can't someone tree on 9 coon in 2 hours in a "HONEY" spot in todays times when hides are not worth much and you have an over abundance of coon... But just like my cast a few weeks ago a few of the dogs kept going back to the same tree a couple of times, or needed walked a few 100 yards away...Sure does burn up time.... Wish i had a coondog that was half the dog as LIL RED..

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I like reading some of these magazines when they do the finale 4 and have a play by play...Why not see if they mind if a Writer walks along on one of these high caliber cast and see what went on....

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