Registered: Jun 2008
Location: Taylorsville, NC
Posts: 1320

quote:

---

Originally posted by bigdwebster
I guess im missing something. I have a at 225+ b with 25+ c with 50+ and d with 150+. C cant recast until d's tree is scored because c was scored out of order and apparently b opted to not recast until after scoring c's tree. If this was the end of the cast a wins with 225+ and d is 2nd.

---

__________________
"To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society." -
-- Theodore Roosevelt



Brian Teague 252-649-3050

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Sep 2008
Location: ILLINOIS
Posts: 96

The way I read it they started the five when he treed and by the time they scored b's tree the five was up. But dog b still has the option to recast but apparently didnt. Im not positive but I think if handler of dog d agrees they can score dog c's tree out of order he just cant be recast until dog d's tree is scored. But he said they cut dog b and c off of c's tree. Dog b could recast but c shouldnt have been able too.

__________________
SKILLET FORK KENNELS

http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq132/bigdwebster/treejacker.jpg

HOME OF

GRNITECHPR SKILLET FORK TREE JACKER
GRNITECHPR SKILLET FORK BABY LEXY
PRSKILLET FORKS HIGH RIDGE RUBY

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Oct 2007
Location: Northeast Mississippi
Posts: 888

quote:

---

Originally posted by JiM
Every single time a dog is struck in on the card, that dogs strike could concievable be under the one hour part of rule 7. I bet the one hour part of that rule has never been used and never will. UKC hunters can't even grasp the concept of running a countdown on the tree. You think they will ever run a 1 hour countdown on every dog that strikes a track? Basicly impossible.

---

__________________
Casey L Clayton
(662) 523-0375
Mantachie, MS

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jan 2007
Location: columbia city in.
Posts: 37

He treed the dog when we started shining my tree the five was started then, we shined the tree walked a minute turned loose then is five was almost up we scored out of order because he was so close. I did start the five right away.

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Mar 2008
Location: Indiana
Posts: 621

we scored it right terry we were practically on top of the dog, it would have been a waste of time to not score him quick,

__________________
Nt champion skuna River Mr. Music. ( at stud)
Handled of GR. NT Champions skuna Rivers Stylish Peanut
Handler of Doc Holiday At Sundown RIP DOC you will be missed
Thanks Stetzels,


Honesty wins hunts

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Not Yet
Location:
Posts: N/A

Dog D got hosed on that out of order scoring of the trees. Why? Because all the time you spent scoring dog C was time that dog D should have been loose and competeing for another scoring opportunity. Instead, dog D was stuck tied to a tree while a dog treed behind him is being scored. And then to make matters worse, you recast dog C while dog D is STILL on the leash. If I was the handler on dog D, we would have had a major problem.

Last edited by on 03-23-2010 at 08:41 PM

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Sep 2008
Location: ILLINOIS
Posts: 96

originally posted by jim

Dog D got hosed on that out of order scoring of the trees. Why? Because all the time you spent scoring dog C was time that dog D should have been loose and competeing for another scoring opportunity. Instead, dog D was stuck tied to a tree while a dog treed behind him is being scored. And then to make matters worse, you recast dog C while dog D is STILL on the leash. If I was the handler on dog D, we would have had a major problem.

I agree 100% Jim. Me being a good sportsman would have let cast score dog c out of order in most situations depending on amount of time left in cast and where I was at as far as score but I dang sure aint gonna let them recast dog c before scoring my tree. I guess with the new recasting rule it is very hard to score out of order no matter how far you are from dogs treeing.

__________________
SKILLET FORK KENNELS

http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq132/bigdwebster/treejacker.jpg

HOME OF

GRNITECHPR SKILLET FORK TREE JACKER
GRNITECHPR SKILLET FORK BABY LEXY
PRSKILLET FORKS HIGH RIDGE RUBY

Last edited by bigdwebster on 03-23-2010 at 09:06 PM

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Sep 2004
Location: Moncks Corner, South Carolina
Posts: 1814

quote:

---

Originally posted by JiM
Every single time a dog is struck in on the card, that dogs strike could concievable be under the one hour part of rule 7. I bet the one hour part of that rule has never been used and never will. UKC hunters can't even grasp the concept of running a countdown on the tree. You think they will ever run a 1 hour countdown on every dog that strikes a track? Basicly impossible.

---

__________________
Kenny's Allnite Black and Tans
Moncks Corner, SC
843-697-5889
ChNtCh Allnite Gypsy Girl

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Mar 2010
Location: The Great USA
Posts: 20

Bet you won't be letting anyone score out of order again. Lesson learned. Why change the rules again? They will never be perfect and can only be changed so many times to appease whoever lost.

__________________
The truth will set you free!

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Mar 2008
Location: Indiana
Posts: 621

this was posted not to talk about scoring hounds out of order, it was posted so that something can be done about two hounds scoring 100 strike on one coon ever after two coons scored

__________________
Nt champion skuna River Mr. Music. ( at stud)
Handled of GR. NT Champions skuna Rivers Stylish Peanut
Handler of Doc Holiday At Sundown RIP DOC you will be missed
Thanks Stetzels,


Honesty wins hunts

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Mar 2010
Location: The Great USA
Posts: 20

quote:

---

Originally posted by Dbradbury3
this was posted not to talk about scoring hounds out of order, it was posted so that something can be done about two hounds scoring 100 strike on one coon ever after two coons scored

---

__________________
The truth will set you free!

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jun 2008
Location: Taylorsville, NC
Posts: 1320

Simple solution........Keep the rule as is and if the dogs get struck back in and are on the same tree as dog holding original first strike, they go back down to 25, instead of getting 100, 75, and 50. If they tree on a different tree they stay at 100, 75, or 50. I think that is what he was getting at.

I say just cut it out all together and if your dog trees the most coons in two hours it will win.

__________________
"To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society." -
-- Theodore Roosevelt



Brian Teague 252-649-3050

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jun 2009
Location: Warrior,Al
Posts: 430

quote:

---

Originally posted by Allen / UKC
Dan, even though you may not have considered the dog holding first strike as "nonworking" it is in fact considered as such after two coons have been scored while that dog is holding said strike position. After the two coons were scored on Dog A, Rule 7 does in fact allow for all strike positions, including first currently being held by Dog A, to reopen. So in such a scenario you may have more than one dog holding first strike position at the same time.

Elvis is correct in that there is a Rules Change Proposal on the ballot in regards to Rule 7. Matter of fact there are two of them. You'll see them them in the April Issue of Coonhound Bloodlines.

My vote is to eliminate the "two coons" rule but stay with the one hour only when it comes to "nonworking". There I said it. Haha.

---

__________________
Matt Mays (205) 807-3046

Last edited by Matt Mays on 03-24-2010 at 12:14 AM

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jun 2009
Location: Warrior,Al
Posts: 430

never mind just looked it up and saw one hour of hunt time

__________________
Matt Mays (205) 807-3046

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Sep 2007
Location: ackerman,ms
Posts: 2229

starts when first struck by the time the hour is up you will know

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Sep 2007
Location: Western Pa
Posts: 3377

This is coming up A LOT in THICK coon areas. Very difficult to judge and deal with as the rules are currently written. Too many conflicting issues and things going on at once!

Dogs now are bred to get split through the country with the grease. Some of the rules that we are still using nowadays are for the packing type hounds!

__________________
OAKS POINT KENNELS

HOME OF

PKC CH GRNITECH GRCH 'PR' OAKS POINT COON BUSTIN' BELLE HTX 2013 UKC Top 100 (May 2006-January 2017)

'PR' OAKS POINT STRIKE-EM OUT BEAU (May 2006-June 2016)

PKC CH NITECH GRCH 'PR' COON BUSTIN' WHITE STUFF

CH 'PR' GOLD RUSH EXPO

'PR' BLACK KNIGHT'S BALU JETTA (May 2013-October 2015)

CH 'PR' CHERRY CREEK XBOX 2016 Treeing Walker Days King of Show

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jun 2009
Location: Warrior,Al
Posts: 430

quote:

---

Originally posted by patches9452
starts when first struck by the time the hour is up you will know

---

__________________
Matt Mays (205) 807-3046

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Feb 2005
Location:
Posts: 1745

Someone enlighten me.

Does UKC rules allow for the scoring of trees out of order, for convenience sake/or otherwise???

Where can I find this NEW rule on the UKC scorecard?

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jul 2009
Location:
Posts: 330

quote:

---

Originally posted by Allen / UKC

My vote is to eliminate the "two coons" rule but stay with the one hour only when it comes to "nonworking". There I said it. Haha.

---

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Sep 2007
Location: Western Pa
Posts: 3377

quote:

---

Originally posted by Rough Northern
Well its a good thing I'm not a voting member. You score 2 coons with one dog on original set of strike pts; strike opens up to 100. Didnt realize it was that hard.

---

__________________
OAKS POINT KENNELS

HOME OF

PKC CH GRNITECH GRCH 'PR' OAKS POINT COON BUSTIN' BELLE HTX 2013 UKC Top 100 (May 2006-January 2017)

'PR' OAKS POINT STRIKE-EM OUT BEAU (May 2006-June 2016)

PKC CH NITECH GRCH 'PR' COON BUSTIN' WHITE STUFF

CH 'PR' GOLD RUSH EXPO

'PR' BLACK KNIGHT'S BALU JETTA (May 2013-October 2015)

CH 'PR' CHERRY CREEK XBOX 2016 Treeing Walker Days King of Show

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Michigan
Posts: 9282

I rememeber one night at the Autumn Open in Canada where it happened that two dogs held their strike positions for over an hour. It was a windy, rainy night where Tex and Black Creek Doc struck in and scooted out of hearing early on in the hunt. Jeff Teague's Angel female was working closer so we stuck with what we could hear. She eventually treed and after recast struck back in for a hundred due to the hour having passed in accordance with Rule 7. That's the only time I can remember off the top of my head where it came into play where I was personally involved.

With the option to recast now, Rule 7 does in fact come into play more so than in the old days. And, in the old days when we still kept the time in and out blocks it was easier to keep up with the "hour" on dogs. I doubt most judges are keeping track of the time when dogs struck in.

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Dec 2006
Location: Springfield, Ga.
Posts: 4252

maybe a typing change is all that is needed. one hours elapsed in overall hunt time, or maybe just two scored coons, and forget time altogether?

__________________
Robert " Rock" Johnson

Johnson Creek Kennels
home of:
UKC Grand Nite Champion "PR" Yadkin River Addkis. Deceased 12/11/2016 RIP

2009/2010/2011/2012 AKC GA. State Leader and Supreme Grand Nite Champion Yadkin River Addkis

2010 ACHA Georgia State Champion Grand Nite Champion Yadkin River Addkis

PKC Champion Yadkin River Addkis

Bright Eye Lights


Treeing Walkers

912-663-5287 cell (perfered)

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jun 2003
Location: North GA
Posts: 14388

Dont none of yall remember the world hunt? I do and the 100 WAS NOT opened back up after 2 coon was scored...This the biggest hunt of the year with a non hunting judge or 3! I guess it is time to do away with it..

__________________
Michael Ghorley

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Not Yet
Location:
Posts: N/A

Dawg, I don't think we're suppose to talk about that. They executed the last thread that mentioned it.

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: May 2009
Location: Tonkawa Oklahoma
Posts: 5586

quote:

---

Originally posted by Matt Mays
when is the correct time to start the one hour on a "non-working" dog? after the first coon is scored? i wouldn't think you could start it when first struck in because you don't know if he's working as part of the cast until later in the hunt.

---

__________________
UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL
Grady Jarvis
808 N. Main St.
Tonkawa Okla. 74653
580-628-0507
CH 'PR' Grady's Dark Woods Waylon -Bluetic

NITECH 'PR' Grady's Insane Tinker Bell (Tink) - Treeing walker --Okla. State Hunt open redg. winner

'PR' Grady's Barley - Treeing Walker

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged