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YES, you do need interference for this! Read the RULES!

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boys read it again no where does it say the dogs are bumping each other it just saya running side by side scratch the grabber and get to hunting

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I get tickled every time I hear some guy brag about how he would scratch a dog for growling or face barking like they rule the world and the RULES mean nothing to them. If my dog was doing a little facebarking and wasnt interfering with another dog, you'd play hell getting me scratched because any MOH with any sense knows thats NOT enough grounds to scratch a dog. And if a MOH is as big an idiot as the judge, I'd appeal to UKC and WIN the question. The rules are clear. Go by the rules when you judge me or you may find yourself written up for handler misconduct!

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the only thing i will say is if your dog is getting in another dogs face ya ya him he is interfering with that dog, and in no way am i braging I'm going by the rules people have to stop interpeting the rules to benifit there self's , and i do not think if you went to UKC you would win. sooner or later you will have a problem in the cast with a face barking dog and the wrong dog is the one that will get scratched.

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that depends how you interpit interferance to me if a dog is in another dogs face he is interfering with that dog and to me he is showing agressive behavor .

what would you do in a case like this 4 dog cast all dogs are stroke and treed when the cast gets to the tree dog a is walking around tree all brisald up growling walking around tree has not grab a dog YET keeps walking and growling until handler catches him???

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If no other dog is around then he would be fine.

If he was keeping other dogs off the tree then he would be scratched for "agressive behavior".

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what the other 3 dogs was doing is standing on the tree and treeing the 4th dog was walking and growling he just kept walking around and around the tree

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Well then by the rules, if the rest of the dogs were treeing then he wasn't interfering with them and couldn't legally be scratched.

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to interfere means changing a course another has set...if Im walking down the street, and you step in front of me and stop, I must walk around you or collide with you...I walk around you, and keep going...that would be interfering with my intended path, even though you didnt stop me...if one dog is face barking, he is interfering with the other dogs treeing, even if he isnt stopping them...that is my take on it...

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Websters Definition of Interfere

Entry Word: interfere
Function: verb
Meaning: to interest oneself in what is not ones concern

Entry Word: interference
Function: noun
Meaning: something that makes movement or progress more difficult

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so many of these rules can be interpretted in so many different ways...its a shame the rules cant be fault proof, or folks cant just use common sense in applying them...

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I don't doubt that is your take on it.

I don't think that would hold up with UKC though. Interfere in the context of the rules is to interfere with the dog hunting, whether that be interfere with another dog treeing, going hunting etc.

Face barking in itself can not legally be scratched.

It has to interfere with another dog in the cast hunting to meet the requirements to scratch.

Just because you don't like it doesn't make it a scratchable offense. If all dogs are at the tree and treeing and no dogs treeing is impeded then that dog can blow and facebark all it wants to and be 100% legal.

I didn't say I liked the rule, but that IS the rule. Until it's changed that's what we have to go by. The dog must show agressive behavior AND interfere with another dogs ability to complete the hunt or actually fight to be scratched for fighting or attempting to fight.

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I don't think that would hold up with UKC though. Interfere in the context of the rules is to interfere with the dog hunting, whether that be interfere with another dog treeing, going hunting etc.

Face barking in itself can not legally be scratched.

It has to interfere with another dog in the cast hunting to meet the requirements to scratch.

Just because you don't like it doesn't make it a scratchable offense. If all dogs are at the tree and treeing and no dogs treeing is impeded then that dog can blow and facebark all it wants to and be 100% legal.

I didn't say I liked the rule, but that IS the rule. Until it's changed that's what we have to go by. The dog must show agressive behavior AND interfere with another dogs ability to complete the hunt or actually fight to be scratched for fighting or attempting to fight.

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Ok, thanks for clearing that up for me...I wasnt trying to cause an arguement, just get a clearer view of the rules...

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I dont like that particular rule, I wish it was more cut and dried about aggression, but it is virtually impossible to make a rule like this crystal clear...

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This rule is alot better then it used to be. It was fairly open years ago to whatever a person wanted to say it meant. Now it is fairly cut and dry.

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no you do not if you see a dog start a fight that dog is gone.

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Once a dog grabs another he is gone. don't need interference for this. Face barking is not scratchable unless it is interfering with your dogs tree style. which i have not seen happen.

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I really dont care how you all interpret these rules, I gave up on nite hunts years ago, too much bs involved. Personally if I owned a dog that is bumping or facebarking other dogs that dog would not only be scratched but recieve a royal a## beating because it is ALL aggressive behavior, if you call it anything less youre lying to yourself.

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People get on here and argue rules and the response from some is this "You won't scratch me for that." Well it is like I said earlier, a judment call by the judge. If he sees aggressive behavior and it seems to be discouraging the other dog(s) then he can make the call to scratch that dog. If I am judging a cast and see a dog facebark, push, or otherwise try to intimidate other dogs, I will watch and see how they act when that dog is tied back. I have asked people to tie a certain dog back and then watch and see what the difference is. I don't hunt with most of these dogs every night and I need to see how they act without the dog around. If it is different, then I make a call. I don't think you can go wrong with a little investigating. I have actually had people tell me their dog will push or facebark a little and that really suprises me that people will hunt these dogs in a hunt. Knowing what they may cause. It is a cut and dry rule and most people who have been around hunts long know when to scratch and when not to. Best advice is to leave your trouble makers at home and you won't get into trouble.

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