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A GOOD judge that can distinguish dogs usually makes the correct ruling in this situation. If A moved and is out trailing, he should have been minused immediately! If you can hear them treed, you can hear them trailing!

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the question was dose dogs b @ c move up in tree points there strike points will remain the same . there tree points will move up to 125 apice for they are split trees. if coon is seen they get plus if not off game or slick they get minues tree and strike points minues. a split tree calls its self there no competion hunter going to go out on a limb and tree his dog septate from another dog if all the dogs are in the same area . reason is when you go to that tree and you have call your dog split it had better be by its self or you will be minues.that the reason thes handler just call there dogs tree and when they got there the trees call there self .the card should have look like this
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well thats how it has been done in the past but that is WRONG.
the dogs that were split DO NOT move up because the split was not obvious and we dont know what tree the trailing dog left from..

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the question was dose dogs b @ c move up in tree points there strike points will remain the same . there tree points will move up to 125 apice for they are split trees. if coon is seen they get plus if not off game or slick they get minues tree and strike points minues. a split tree calls its self there no competion hunter going to go out on a limb and tree his dog septate from another dog if all the dogs are in the same area . reason is when you go to that tree and you have call your dog split it had better be by its self or you will be minues.that the reason thes handler just call there dogs tree and when they got there the trees call there self .the card should have look like this
A 125-
B125+
C125+

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Lets say for example that dog B backed dog A on a tree and dog C split treed to the left. Dog A leaves the tree and is minused and dog B stays put. You cannot move dog B up because he never split treed. He backed dog A and stayed where dog A left. Thats not split treeing, thats backing. When a dog backs for 2nd tree he gets 75 tree points. If dog A leaves and is minused, dog B stays at 75 because he did NOT split tree! He simply backed another dog and ended up being the only one left. NOT SPLIT TREED!

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Lets say for example that dog B backed dog A on a tree and dog C split treed to the left. Dog A leaves the tree and is minused and dog B stays put. You cannot move dog B up because he never split treed. He backed dog A and stayed where dog A left. Thats not split treeing, thats backing. When a dog backs for 2nd tree he gets 75 tree points. If dog A leaves and is minused, dog B stays at 75 because he did NOT split tree! He simply backed another dog and ended up being the only one left. NOT SPLIT TREED!

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THE RULE IS EVERY TREE CALLS ITS SELF THESE HANDLERS WERE BEING SAFE THE HOUNDS WERE SO DEEP THAT THEY COULDNT TELL IF THEY WERE TREE TOGETHER. WHEN THEY GOT TO THE DOGS A SHOULD HAVE BEEN MINUES ON TREE STRIKE POINTS REMAIND AS CALL B AND C TREES ARE MOVE UP TO 125 AFTER TREES IS SCORE TURN BACK TO DOG A CARD SHOULD LOOK LIKE THIS .
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B125+
C 125+
IF YOU ALL ARE IN A HUNT ALL DOGS TREE THE DOGS WILL BE CALL WHEN YOU GET TO THE TREE ONE OR ALL ARE ON THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT TREES THE TREE WILL CALL ITS SELF A COMPETION HUNTER IS NOT GOING TO SPLIT TREE HIS DOG WITH DOGS CLOSE BY BECAUSE IF HE SPLITS TREE THE DOG IT HAD BETTER BE SPLIT OR HE WILL BE MINUS SO ITS BEST TO TREE THEM ALL TOGETHER AND LET THE SPLIT TREE CALL IS SELF.

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THE RULE IS EVERY TREE CALLS ITS SELF THESE HANDLERS WERE BEING SAFE THE HOUNDS WERE SO DEEP THAT THEY COULDNT TELL IF THEY WERE TREE TOGETHER. WHEN THEY GOT TO THE DOGS A SHOULD HAVE BEEN MINUES ON TREE STRIKE POINTS REMAIND AS CALL B AND C TREES ARE MOVE UP TO 125 AFTER TREES IS SCORE TURN BACK TO DOG A CARD SHOULD LOOK LIKE THIS .
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B125+
C 125+
IF YOU ALL ARE IN A HUNT ALL DOGS TREE THE DOGS WILL BE CALL WHEN YOU GET TO THE TREE ONE OR ALL ARE ON THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT TREES THE TREE WILL CALL ITS SELF A COMPETION HUNTER IS NOT GOING TO SPLIT TREE HIS DOG WITH DOGS CLOSE BY BECAUSE IF HE SPLITS TREE THE DOG IT HAD BETTER BE SPLIT OR HE WILL BE MINUS SO ITS BEST TO TREE THEM ALL TOGETHER AND LET THE SPLIT TREE CALL IS SELF.

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Coonhunters are a stubbbborn bunch. NOBODY moves up in this situation. A was treed and left so he gets minus, but he was treed first so no one can know if B or C were treed with A. Since you dont know who covered and who split tree points remain as originally called.

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Coonhunters are a stubbbborn bunch. NOBODY moves up in this situation. A was treed and left so he gets minus, but he was treed first so no one can know if B or C were treed with A. Since you dont know who covered and who split tree points remain as originally called.

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Someone takes a beating in this situation, no way around it because of what we dont know. If we leave the tree points as originally called B and C walk away from this tree seperated by 25 tree points. If we make the assumption that C was the split dog we seperate them by 50 tree points. Maybe UKC needs to rethink? It is just as likely that C covered A.

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we rehash this scenario every few months on here.

it dont matter how wrong or right you think it is, in UKC dog b stays at 75 and dog c moves up to 125.

it was assumed all dogs were treed together originaly, so when dog a leaves you have to assume b is still on the tree a left and that is considered the "root" tree.

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we rehash this scenario every few months on here.

it dont matter how wrong or right you think it is, in UKC dog b stays at 75 and dog c moves up to 125.

it was assumed all dogs were treed together originaly, so when dog a leaves you have to assume b is still on the tree a left and that is considered the "root" tree.

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The ROOT tree idea is only useful if A stays. The minute A leaves a root tree does not exist. I clearly understand UKC.s objective as far as consticency in scoring and would score it the way they want.
But having said that i still believe leaving the tree points as called would be simpler and less damaging point wise in a situation where we dont know who was where or when.

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I would say if people on a cast are treeing dogs and the judge and rest of that cast does not know who is where and when, that would be considered "pitching" your dog in my book. What do you guys think?

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Not necesarily. If dogs are far enough away they may seem to all be together and then when you get there, a dog or more may be split a short distance away. This especially happens alot when in hills like here where I live. Sound echos alot and even with one dog treed, its very difficult to know exactly what direction the dog is due to the echos.

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Not necesarily. If dogs are far enough away they may seem to all be together and then when you get there, a dog or more may be split a short distance away. This especially happens alot when in hills like here where I live. Sound echos alot and even with one dog treed, its very difficult to know exactly what direction the dog is due to the echos.

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125- 75+ 50+ YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE A WAS SO DON'T PUNISH OR ADVANCE EITHER ONE

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125- 75+ 50+ YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE A WAS SO DON'T PUNISH OR ADVANCE EITHER ONE

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Reading comprehension seems to be in short order around here. Before anyone else post on here would you please go back and read what the official interpretation from Allen is. The rest of these opinions are just wasted typing.

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