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Brian France, most Purina products are pretty decent, but when your dealing with more than a few hounds, the price can get ridiculous. 34 and 37.5 lb. bags.... come on !! Black Gold at one time, was the STANDARD for all other feeds. They've switched recipes and Plants several times the last few yearts and the ones paying for it are the hunters that got them in the business. I realize they sponser all sorts of dog programs, but thats at a cost to the people that use it, and, I feel like they crapped on there dealer network, long ago! Just like Diamond, they used the hunters to get them big, then buddied up with the chain stores, now your paying way more than you should for feed that quite frankly falls in the 20 dollar a bag or less catagory. Alot of this is strictly my opinion, but I have sold dog feed for 15 years, most brands out there and have fed a pile of each, and so have my friends and neighbors and customers, and I always take feedback seriously, and I feed 40 head of dogs personally so I give a feed a workout.And Iam trully sorry if this post offends anyone.

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I agree that Diamond High Energy is not real desireable. However, your dogs were not "heating up" due to the high fat content. This is the biggest farse in dog feed. Carbs cause the problems with our dogs in hot weather or when they are worked hard.
I feed 25% fat year around and have no trouble with dogs getting hot. JMO. Mike.

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You guys didn't offend me in any way, I asked and you answered. Actually I like to hear opinions and decide for myself what works for me. I only feed 5 dogs and this is a plenty, I would need another job to afford feeding 40! I bought two bags ( 34 lbs. ) today at tractor supply at 31.99 ea., used 2 purina points checks and that reduced it a total of $ 14.00 I think it is all over priced but the purina checks help me swallow it a little easier. Mike, what kind of dog food are you feeding that has 25% fat? Why do you feed such a high fat diet? I'm not saying you are wrong I just wanna know. I also haven't found a place around here that sells BLACK GOLD so this is another reason I use PURINA. I guess if it isn't broken then don't fix it. Good luck to all and happy huntin.

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anyone tried riverun professional blend in the red bag. seems alot like the ole purina hi pro

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Hasnt anyone tried the sport mix dogfood? There isnt much around here ive been thinking of trying that. The dimond and black gold around here is outrageous.

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and buy the brand EXCEED and it comes in 50 pound bages and you will be glad you made the switch

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You guys didn't offend me in any way, I asked and you answered. Actually I like to hear opinions and decide for myself what works for me. I only feed 5 dogs and this is a plenty, I would need another job to afford feeding 40! I bought two bags ( 34 lbs. ) today at tractor supply at 31.99 ea., used 2 purina points checks and that reduced it a total of $ 14.00 I think it is all over priced but the purina checks help me swallow it a little easier. Mike, what kind of dog food are you feeding that has 25% fat? Why do you feed such a high fat diet? I'm not saying you are wrong I just wanna know. I also haven't found a place around here that sells BLACK GOLD so this is another reason I use PURINA. I guess if it isn't broken then don't fix it. Good luck to all and happy huntin.

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Once you feed Hi-Standard you won't feed anything else. I fed dog food with out the omega 3 and the omega 6 and my dogs looked like crap. I started feeding Hi-Standard with omega 3 and the omega 6 my dogs turned around in a month and everybody was asking what I was feeding them. Plus you feed about 1 1/2 cups less per day than other dog foods. It is also has 90% digestibility rate. Best dog food on the market today.

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i feed Enhance

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Once you feed Hi-Standard you won't feed anything else. I fed dog food with out the omega 3 and the omega 6 and my dogs looked like crap. I started feeding Hi-Standard with omega 3 and the omega 6 my dogs turned around in a month and everybody was asking what I was feeding them. Plus you feed about 1 1/2 cups less per day than other dog foods. It is also has 90% digestibility rate. Best dog food on the market today.

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I sell the 26/18 for $19.00 a bag plus tax

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Alot of guys seem to like the hi standard. Myself, and own opinion and observations of it is........ SUBPAR by FAR!!! Its a take off and really same blend as the ultra and Joy.

I ve seen big kennels 200 dogs plus switch from it and dramatically reduce there stool and there dogs started looking better on other feeds. And feeding less!!

Sportmix, I dealt Sportmix and fed it for 2 years, never had more complaints from customers in my life. Some of my own dogs wouldnt even eat it, and people that know me, know my dogs eat what ever I feed them, had to switch several over to the pro pac which was more costly so they wouldnt starve to death.

SAme goes for alot of other feeds, I could go on and on, but really if your happy with what your feeding and getting a decent price, I say dont switch.

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Alot of guys seem to like the hi standard. Myself, and own opinion and observations of it is........ SUBPAR by FAR!!! Its a take off and really same blend as the ultra and Joy.

I ve seen big kennels 200 dogs plus switch from it and dramatically reduce there stool and there dogs started looking better on other feeds. And feeding less!!

Sportmix, I dealt Sportmix and fed it for 2 years, never had more complaints from customers in my life. Some of my own dogs wouldnt even eat it, and people that know me, know my dogs eat what ever I feed them, had to switch several over to the pro pac which was more costly so they wouldnt starve to death.

SAme goes for alot of other feeds, I could go on and on, but really if your happy with what your feeding and getting a decent price, I say dont switch.

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We made the switch a year ago when Black Gold was starting to raise there price and have milling problems. Been feeding ever since dogs keep the same feeding amount is the same maybe a little less and is priced right. The feed comes out of PA Kenny runs a add in American Cooner.Give him a call.

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Ok I went to there web site and you would have to feed one of there top 2 feeds to get it to compare to Diamond. What does there top feed cost per 50 lb.?

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I went back and found a post about dogs "overheating" that I had posted on and copied it. Hope it helps.

protien/fat vs carbs
QUOTE]Originally posted by mikehurt
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I have read dog nutrition publications and tried to put as much study into performance nutrition for dogs and relate it to coonhounds as possible. I am NOT AN EXPERT like some, but this is some of what I have learned.
It is not the protein and fat content that cause the problems for our dogs in the summer and in stressful situations. It is the carbohydrates. In dogs, carbs are for short, quick burst of energy. Not for endurance. Feeds high in carbs and low in fat, are condusive to the build up of large quantities of lactic acid in the muscles, which in turn causes fatigue. The higher the protein and fat level of a feed, the lower the carb level.
Extreme Athlete (32-25) is only about 21 or 22 % carbs. This is good. Diamond Naturals Lamb and Rice (23-14) is about 45 or 46% carbs. This is not so good for a dog that you expect performance out of.
Other things go into it, like the digestibility of the protein and fat sources, but animal proteins and fats are way more digestible than plant proteins and fats. Diamond says that the protein digestiblitiy of Extreme Athlete is in the high 80's(I called and got the results of the digestibility study but I can't remember the exact number).
Long story short. We have a dog that we have done a fair amount of winning with. He got hot in the summer, was lethargic, and had a history of skin problems. We switched from the high carb, plant base protein feeds we had been feeding( Diamond green bag, and Black Gold), to Extreme Athlete, and a feed very similar (Native Level 4). The results were unreal. He ran cooler, but more importantly RECOVERED QUICKER. We have never had any more skin problems either. We feed it year around, just a little less in the summer or if he is not getting worked. Right now he is not getting hunted much and we are giving him about 2 3/4 cups, and he is a shade too heavy. It is better to have them a shade thin than fat if you want the best performance.
Anyway, I have taken enough of your time. Hope this helps. If you think I am full of --it, I appologize. If you would like more info, don't be afraid to ask. Mike. [/QUOTE]

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We made the switch a year ago when Black Gold was starting to raise there price and have milling problems. Been feeding ever since dogs keep the same feeding amount is the same maybe a little less and is priced right. The feed comes out of PA Kenny runs a add in American Cooner.Give him a call.

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if you can get it try prime by red flannel its 26/18 my dogs stay in good health no loose stools and plenty of energy i feed my beagles 1 cup a day and they stay fati really like it jmo

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I am not trying to start any arguments , tick anybody off, or make any enemies. The best way to tick a coon hunter off is to tell them they are feeding junk feed.LOL.
I am not sure why I am so interested in feeding dogs, but it has always intrigued me. The whole protein, fat, carb, deal has a lot of people fooled. More carbs are good for dogs that need quick short bursts of energy like a greyhound. Our hounds need the long lasting energy that fat provides. Corn base dog food or feeds high in corn, are higher in carbs. Besides that, corn is only %54 digestible. The digestion process alone causes heat. Muscle meat from beef, chicken, etc. is %92 digestible.
The bottom line is that you can feed your dogs what ever you want. What suits you and your program, may not suit someone else's. However, if the most important thing to you is finding "cheap" (none of it is cheap anymore) feed, you will get what you pay for.

If anyone is interested in reading a REALLY GOOD book about feeding performance dogs, I recommend this one
Performance Dog Nutrition (Optimize Performance with Nutrition) by Dr. Jocelynn Jacobs. It is super easy to read and understand.

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Good posts Mike, I dont think it would hurt any of us to learn a little more about what we are feeding our dogs.

Times are tough and money is tight, I understand it just isnt within every budget to feed 40$ a bag feed.

From my experience with the lower cost feed, a meat meal based seems to be the best bang for the buck.

I would stay as far away from Wheat, corn, rice, and chicken by-product meal as I could afford to.

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I got a call this morning from the owner of Hi Standard. I guess a bunch of guys were calling and crying to him about what I posted about it, so I will clear the air, so to speak. I do not like the feed. I have nothing against the owner or the guys who choose to feed or sell it. Wade informed me his product is not the same as ultra and some Joy products. So speaking strictly on my own I feel it resembles several of these products, ingredients, size,texture, but that is also strictly my opinion. Look things over and make your own decision.

The guy who says who cares how much stool. I dont think anyone wants six loose piles from 3 cups of feed a day.

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I feed 1.5 cups in the morning and 1.5 cups in the evening when it is 40 or below and I still only have 1 stool aday. I feed Hunters Special Ultra Performance by Sunshine Mills. My opinion very good feed.

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Hey Joe, so when I look at Pepsi and Coke poured in a glass--they look the same, feel the same and have the same texture. So can I assume they are the same?? Come on, think just a little bit before you speak. Does all dog foods taste the same?? Have you tasted them?

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lol. You dont have to look very hard to find food thats a lot worse than that...IMO.

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