Registered: Sep 2008
Location: illinois
Posts: 540

Everyone seems to forget that some hounds are bred for the ukc scorecard and some arent. If you question this call Dave Dean as he has no problem telling anyone he has bred for the scorecard for Years. Now some of these scorecard hounds will be slow on the locate and some will"wallow" a track a little longer than we think they should, but at the end of the day, it still boils down to what the hunter will put up with. And that translates back to how each individual hunts, whether they, need close hunters, deep hunters, have lots of coon, shortage of coon, hunt with 17 year olds or hunt with 78 year olds, believe me it matters!!! That being said I still believe Dog traders tell people junk dogs are pleasure dogs, and I also believe modern day dog traders tell people faulted tree liars, track swicthers are competion dogs.

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Registered: Dec 2005
Location: central illinois
Posts: 453

Several years ago if a man had a good honest coondog that would go hunting, get struck and treed and have the meat he would have a dog that would win his share of hunts. Today most consistent winners are dogs that refuse to pack (most call these dogs independant), tree fighters(most are light broke), 1st strike dogs(babblers), 1st tree dogs(dont check tree,o.k. with leaves on or quick me too dogs that can be treed off anothers locate and counted on to be there.) Me and my hunting buddy enjoy hunting together, dont want one dog to go half mile one way and the other a half mile the other. Enjoy hearing both dogs on good race together. Talked to a man the other night. Real proud of his young dog out of a local stud. Later in the conversation he state the owner of the stud had to have the dogs fangs pulled and his teeth filed to keep from eating other dogs up. The bitch this guy bred to this particular stud is a real coondog, GrNt. A reproducer also. The first time I hunted with her we had a fight at the tree. Only fight my dog was ever in. Ole boy told me after the fight she was rough. Now he has bred her to an alligator. He wins alot of hunts! If I have to win like that with that type of dog, I dont care if I ever win another. Oh, also dont forget about the pop-up specialist that gets by his lonesome two miles in there to tree a pop-up kitten after running over numerous colder tracks. Kinda like the ole Bull story to me, "run down the hill and get one, walk down and get em all". Not to say there arent some good honest comp. dogs out there, but there sure are a lot that are winning that should take a bullet and definately never be bred or advertised as breeding stock. Definately a difference between winning comp. dogs and good pleasure dogs.

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Registered: Jan 2009
Location: pana,ill
Posts: 534

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Originally posted by Briar
Can you have a nice coondog that has a hard time competing because it lacks the things I mentioned?

Does a dog have to be able to compete to be a nice hound?

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Registered: Jul 2003
Location: PA
Posts: 2162

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Originally posted by joseph mcdonald
That being said I still believe Dog traders tell people junk dogs are pleasure dogs, and I also believe modern day dog traders tell people faulted tree liars, track swicthers are competition dogs.

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