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the blood sucking insurance companies.

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Where did I call you a name besides "clueless"?? Which you are.
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Tell all of these liberal/Communist enviro-wackos to take their bogus
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Or Appointing Communists, marxists, and radical Dictator worshiping radicals to prominent positions within our Govt.

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Truly, i went to work in a textile[ sewing factory] one day after graduation and started at $1.00 an hr and after years of getting promoted they passed a bill and textiles were shipped over seas and they shot the factories down and than i got any job i could find in my town. i finally got a job selling cars for Toyota until our secretary pinned me between two cars and pushed my hip completely though pelvic bone . was unable to work for over a year and drawed lot less from workmans comp than my salary because Va is one of few states u cant sue while on job, so we lived off our savings for over a year. i know hard luck case. im just tired of Obama and he will put us down. and now they want to do away with anything to do with God. not only him bacause he is Muslim but lots of non beleivers which are in minorty. worksman paid me 1/3 what i could have earned

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DE- a couple of questions- if you are retired, why aren't you on medicare? or when you talk about "bills went up including health insurance" are you referring to copays?

If you are on a govt retirement system and receiving govt subsidized healthcare would you like to see those govt programs expanded or cut?
John would say you are someone who is "living off the teat",

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Now, I am under the assumption that you are human being, a member of my society [The United States of America], and not just a paid propogandist working for some corporation. I believe in working together [John calls it collectivism] to care for citizens of my society. John calls that socialism. I call it traditional Judeo-Christian values. Those values tell me that we would be best to tax more heavily the super rich to care for working class. [John would call that marxism]. I believe that we should quit bailing out the capitalists and start caring for the working class. Now some would say that I am "redistributing wealth", but if you worked hard all your life, didn't you in fact help create that wealth that the millionaires have? Why should the CEO of a for profit health insurance company make hundreds of thousands of dollars a day, while a guy who maybe cut wood or mined for coal, or farmed their whole life would have to work for 10 years to make what a CEO might make in a day? Are these people better than you? More worthy than you? Do they deserve to live the good life more than you?

I think not.

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John, you just can't wrap your head around the fact that "collectivism" is not socialism, it is not authoritarian or arbitrary. collectivism can be woven into these things, but collectivism is also democracy. We collectively elect our leaders. And we collectively choose to leave them in office, and one day we may collectively choose to overthrow them. If we don't make that decision collectively, who ever makes that decision will fail.
When this country finally wakes up and decides to work together towards a common goal then we will have a chance against the moneyed interests who prefer us to be fractured.

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John, you just can't wrap your head around the fact that "collectivism" is not socialism, it is not authoritarian or arbitrary. collectivism can be woven into these things, but collectivism is also democracy. We collectively elect our leaders. And we collectively choose to leave them in office, and one day we may collectively choose to overthrow them. If we don't make that decision collectively, who ever makes that decision will fail.
When this country finally wakes up and decides to work together towards a common goal then we will have a chance against the moneyed interests who prefer us to be fractured.

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Truly, I almost forgot. You never answered my question.

Do you support Obama because he appoints Terrorists, Marxists, Communists or Pedophiles to high rankling seats and positions within his administration??

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how do you people from illinois feel about them bringing the people from gitmo to illinois?


i heard a lady yesterday from illinois call in too rush limbaugh and say sarcastically it was the least the state of illinois could do too take all the criminals from gitmo because they had sent all their criminals to washington.

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John, you just can't wrap your head around the fact that "collectivism" is not socialism, it is not authoritarian or arbitrary. collectivism can be woven into these things, but collectivism is also democracy. We collectively elect our leaders. And we collectively choose to leave them in office, and one day we may collectively choose to overthrow them. If we don't make that decision collectively, who ever makes that decision will fail.
When this country finally wakes up and decides to work together towards a common goal then we will have a chance against the moneyed interests who prefer us to be fractured.

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Truly, I almost forgot. You never answered my question.

Do you support Obama because he appoints Terrorists, Marxists, Communists or Pedophiles to high rankling seats and positions within his administration??

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humans as well as other primates are for the most part social beings that function best in social groups which could be defined as collectives for the benefit of the individual, the social collective provides humans safety-security that is lacking in living apart from other humans... believe that humans are by their nature social or collective beings.... many-many examples of such... might take a look at Fromm's Escape From Freedom that looks at the premise that humans will trade freedom-don't believe is such a thing as total-absolute freedom for security.... certainly would be opposed to forced collectivism, but our society often provides benefits to some of its members that other members who benefit less help to provide-support.... semantics is an issue as to what is a collective, etc.. corporations, farm co-ops., consolidated school districts, organizations like the ukc, churches, nra, tea party organization are all collective endeavors...
always want the right to choose which collective we may want to be part of or support, but also realize in a social world that sometimes this is not the reality and that sometimes things are done for the good of all which may in fact undercut the rights of the individual.... guess could argue infinitum as to what is-should be etc...

believe most in illinois support using-selling the Thompson Prison to house terrorists as an economic good which is much needed in the land of lincoln....

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The insurance companies favorite thing is the bigger the group the cheaper they can insure you. Well if we all pull together we make a heck of a group. One big group, insurance companies dream.
So why can't any body think that we could have a health care with out the insurance companies. We use to. Then we would have the power to get the blood sucking unfair profets out of pills and hospital stays and them makeing us come back 6 time and pay 6 office visits to do anything.
The stress test is what really gets me. About $800.00 bucks gives you a good bill of health go home and have a heart attack.
Instead of giveing you an EKG to begin with BUT it is set up to get the most out of the insurance companies becouse they are stupid enought to pay it and the people paying the insurance company hate them so bad they don't care how bad they get ripped off. I don't know what percent they make but I know how they live around here and they do VERY WELL.
Insurance should had never been allowed to be sold. Then you wouldn't be blinded and could see the cost as it is charged. This whole country has became like a car salesman. They rassel and dassel you with BS let you think you are getting the car for one price then when you get to the paper work they just add it in some were else. My favorite is "it is only $ 5.00 a month"
Well $ 5.00 a month for 60 months = $ 300.00 a month + interest. Not smart enough to do the interest but guess $ 400.00 or more. All of them are ripping us off in the same way just hidden a little better. Notice the salesman is never around dureing sighning.
Now if you don't think we can improve on this system you should move to a country you have more confidence in.
It makes me laugh that the ones on here that use the word comunist is the very ones that want to let these companies keep getting more power over us and OUR goverment. You notice you can't say our CEO's BUT it is still OUR GOVERMENT we just need to take the controll back. FIRST MOVE OPEN SEASON ON LOBBYIST. Did you see the law maker on tv that had been playing spanky with 2 of them. What did his vote go to for sex but the story got squished.

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asked and answered-
"At this point I am not entirely satisfied with what he has done. I have not liked several of his appointments, and have not liked some of his choices of who to bailout."

But there you go again name calling- why don't you just ask about specific appointments?

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So why can't any body think that we could have a health care with out the insurance companies. We use to. Then we would have the power to get the blood sucking unfair profets out of pills and hospital stays and them makeing us come back 6 time and pay 6 office visits to do anything.
The stress test is what really gets me. About $800.00 bucks gives you a good bill of health go home and have a heart attack.
Instead of giveing you an EKG to begin with BUT it is set up to get the most out of the insurance companies becouse they are stupid enought to pay it and the people paying the insurance company hate them so bad they don't care how bad they get ripped off. I don't know what percent they make but I know how they live around here and they do VERY WELL.
Insurance should had never been allowed to be sold. Then you wouldn't be blinded and could see the cost as it is charged. This whole country has became like a car salesman. They rassel and dassel you with BS let you think you are getting the car for one price then when you get to the paper work they just add it in some were else. My favorite is "it is only $ 5.00 a month"
Well $ 5.00 a month for 60 months = $ 300.00 a month + interest. Not smart enough to do the interest but guess $ 400.00 or more. All of them are ripping us off in the same way just hidden a little better. Notice the salesman is never around dureing sighning.
Now if you don't think we can improve on this system you should move to a country you have more confidence in.
It makes me laugh that the ones on here that use the word comunist is the very ones that want to let these companies keep getting more power over us and OUR goverment. You notice you can't say our CEO's BUT it is still OUR GOVERMENT we just need to take the controll back. FIRST MOVE OPEN SEASON ON LOBBYIST. Did you see the law maker on tv that had been playing spanky with 2 of them. What did his vote go to for sex but the story got squished. [/B]

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Jowels made a good point that Okie and the other Obama drones failed to acknowledge. The Insurance companies make less than 2% in profits. How is that being "greedy"?

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a good common goal i can support: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for all citizens without the "playing of favorites" by some robber planners. liberty and JUSTICE for all.

most leftists hate true justice, not arbitrary enough to suit em.

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how do you people from illinois feel about them bringing the people from gitmo to illinois?

i heard a lady yesterday from illinois call in too rush limbaugh and say sarcastically it was the least the state of illinois could do too take all the criminals from gitmo because they had sent all their criminals to washington.

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i feel for all i'm going to make 20 grand less then i did last year.I didn't get a cost of living raise.

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Truly, you are wrong about the tax cuts.

Tax cuts have been proven over and over again to INCREASE the amount of revenue coming into the US Treasuary.

Not once or twice but over and over and over again.

It's called the Laughler Curve or some such. There is a point that it doesn't, but right now we are way, way, way to the right of the curve, meaning tax cuts will actually increase income for the gubment because the taxes now are opressive and supress growth.

When that is the case a tax cut will spur growth and because more people are making more and doing better it's a net increase.

If you back off too far then it doesn't have that effect.

Most economists know this, and when the question was asked to Oprama he said he would increase taxes even though it would DECREASE REVENUE TO THE US GUBMENT because he believed taxes should be used to manipulate and punnish people and businesses for succeeding. His opinion is to use the tax code not for running the gubment for only needed services, what it was actually for, but for social justice.

That is theft and that is wrong. People shouldn't be punnished for working hard.

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the phrase "social justice" as used by the leftists is about as far away from true justice as you can get. it might be the single most arbitrarily "loaded" phrase and ideology in the lexicon of phrases and ideology. "social justice" is a good definition for the phrase "moving target". it is truly a farce and laughs in the face of real justice.

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Rip, Bush took office with a budget surplus. He lowered taxes as soon as he arrived. He doubled our national debt in 8 years. He has proven lowering taxes does not raise revenue.

Laffer himself proposed the curve only as a learning tool and in 2007 warned "The Laffer Curve should not be the reason you raise or lower taxes"

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correct me if am wrong but i thought the country was going down hill fast when Clinton was in office. he signed bill to send everything over seas and to Mexico. if am wrong tell me i am just an old man and maybe missed something. but when he was in office things were closing here every where textiles and furniture factories were shuttin g down all over town and we lost Dupont factory. i may have missed something with my old age but i remember things were going down hill fast with him in office. all he was interested was oral sex was not sex lol u could fool me. i came up in late 50's

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Rip,
reducing -cutting taxes to increase revenue is a mixed bag at best... take a look at Investopedia by Forbes to look at this issue... no agreement on the idea of cutting taxes as means to increase revenue-complex issue with many factors involved.... don't believe the Bush cuts increased revenue since spending was never reduced which should occur to maximize reduction in tax intake.... all for lower taxes, better yet the fair tax and get off the regressive progressive income tax- can than close the irs which would be a great saving...

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Rip, Bush took office with a budget surplus. He lowered taxes as soon as he arrived. He doubled our national debt in 8 years. He has proven lowering taxes does not raise revenue.

Laffer himself proposed the curve only as a learning tool and in 2007 warned "The Laffer Curve should not be the reason you raise or lower taxes"

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