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Don't you think that if you can train a hound to be a good coonhound,that you could also train that same hound that it's okay to pull off the tree when called.I never ever said anything about shockin' the dog.Give these hounds more credit than that.They are a lot more intelligent than you think.
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i hope you all the worst luck i hope you go out aroun 100 trips and dont eaver tree a coon

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More than anything I think he needs to get "HOOKED ON PHONICS". I am having a hard time understanding what he is trying to say. I think Wheat Light did a good job of telling you like it is. If thats what your trying to say. Your slang seems to be pretty good though. I dont think you really had a question did you? It kinda sounds like an opinion to me. I think even a spell checker would have trouble. I dont have a problem with people mis-spelling words but come on. I had to read it 5 times and still wasn't sure if I understood what you were saying. Get with your teacher and see if she/he can help you out. Sorry!

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Originally posted by michael jeremy
i guss you all no eaver thing dont you . you al must be the best hunter of us all you have the best dog and the best hunting stuffand the best places to hunt you all are the no it alls wel one thing lol that is what i say one day i hope you all the worst luck i hope you go out aroun 100 trips and dont eaver tree a coon all i ask was why a good coon dog has to have a shocker then if he dose the must not be a coon dog then brag all you whont O what you better shock him he is tree ed

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I'm not sure whats up with all this and don't care a whole bunch one way or the other but if you do a search of the other post under his name, they don't have all the mis-spellings. Not sure what all that means.

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I'm not sure whats up with all this and don't care a whole bunch one way or the other but if you do a search of the other post under his name, they don't have all the mis-spellings. Not sure what all that means.

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This stuff is better than going to the movies.

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If you don't like the answers to your question that some of these well-seasoned coonhunters have given you,then you got bigger problems than wonderin' why some fellers use an e-collar on their hounds.And they can't be answered on here.I'm 53 yrs. of age and have been coonhuntin' nearly all my life.Do I know it all?NO!!!!Not by a longshot.I,myself get on here at times to ask different questions about things that happened to me.I'M ASKIN' ADVICE.I don't know it all and never will.Truthfully,I hope the day never comes when I have to quit askin' questions or advice.It's a thing called BEIN' HUMBLE. I hope that someday you get to be the same way.You'll be way ahead of the game when you do.
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l am intrested in hearing some more about to train like this , have dogs go towards roads and traintracks that l would like to be able to call back not there fault the track there running goes that way , but would be nice to save them from getting hit ,in the woods l go to the hound if he trees no matter where his is and how far the walk is !

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jim was right i looked at his other post and he seemed to have past middle school!!! i think someone is having a good time with us.if so it sure had me wraped up.

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do l have to start a new tread t find out more about how to use a shocker for geting them to comeback ?

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I'm sorry.I meant to answer your question earlier.I apologize.Yes,my friend Aleen Johnson has his English dog trained to come when called.If he doesn't,all it takes is the warning buzz.Won't be long and he will be right there.He first used the e-collar on him to break him off deer.It only took one time before he learned.So Allen just kept puttin' it on him every time he hunted him.He found out when breakin' him from deer that he didn't like gettin' shocked,so if he doesn't come when called,Allen gives him the warning.That's all it's ever taken for him to come in.
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Ok I think I got it. He said "You guys are very smart for using shock collars on your dogs" Then he said " Hopefully after many years of hunting I'll be as smart a$$ you fellows" Then he said "I will be getting me a shock collar as soon as I can" Then he said "Dont mark Howard see for not my eye" Not really sure about that part! I'll work on that part some more !!! LOL

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i use a shock collar on my beagle i have since she was 6mo old she thinks it part of hunting when she see it in my hand she know she is going hunting she aint scared of it but if she woukd start doing something wrong you can stop it right there if youknow what your doing with its a good traing tool but if you dont know what your doing ask somebodythat knows some people just dont get why people use them sounds like some never will just my opion

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all i ask was why a good coon dog has to have a shocker

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I don't know, but I just went and read through his previous posts as well and from the looks of it I don't think this fella made it past the 3rd grade. Honestly I feel like I'm about 6 times dumber reading all that mumbo jumbo.

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If you're really serious about e-collar training, and I'm not convinced that was the purpose of the original post...here is a great site with detailed articles from a really effective trainer.

http://www.loucastle.com/articles.htm

In the right hands, an e-collar is just another tool in the box. It doesn't have to be used strictly for negative training. I have a dual dog Dogtra, with a pager and I use it for many things. But the number one reason my dogs wear them every time we go out is for their own safety.

When I get the collars out, my dogs RUN to have them put on. If I don't take them out everyday, they'll bring the little collar box to me. If your dog runs from you when you get the collar out, YOU did something terribly wrong in the training process.

If you're seriously looking for help, check out 'Uncle Lou'.

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Wally (LCK) has agood article on E Collars

E-collars early use and conditioning

http://www.coondawgs.com/articles/ecollars.pdf

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thanks alot l think it would be good to be able to take those feelings away when you know they are heading into trouble, face it they are just hounds, they don't know but to get that coon treed, never thought about useing a shocker for this ,always thought they were for trash running, so to michael jeremy thanks for this thread!

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Wow...Wally's article is also excellent....and essentially the same as Uncle Lou. You must teach the dog that he alone can turn the collar off. Most dogs learn this very quickly. My youngest dog only had to be shocked 3 times. .....initially, and then went to the pager alone. Once, he went after a coyote, and had to take a little heat, but the training was in place and he understood the demand, and was quickly recalled.

I have a friend in Arizona that also uses Black and Tans for Search and Rescue and is an e-collar advocate. She calls them hearing aids for hounds!

Used intelligently, with no malice, the e-collar is an amazing training tool. It allows dogs great freedom with vastly improved safety. However, used only as a punishment, they can become a most inhumane weapon. Talented and patient trainers can achieve great things with this tool...not to mention very happy, productive hounds. Public perception is very jaded due in part to the fact that folks with very bad tempers and very poor training skills have abused this tool. We should all educate ourselves as to the proper use of them especially in light of what's happening to your rights as hunters. PETA and HSUS have a field day with this issue, and unfortunately there's a ring of truth in their rantings about this problem.

I will add that I think you are better off buying a high quality collar with incremented levels, and a pager system of some kind. It saves you from having to upgrade and the range of choices is so worth the extra money. This is one of those times when you totally need to read the directions!

JMO

Here's some trivia for you.....who do you think is credited for inventing the e-collar? (Hint - He was a Veterinarian and raised and trained many hunting hounds, and even Bloodhounds too.)

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well i got me a dog i puts feur (4) kollers on. i gotz a trakin culler on himz hiz regler culler to tie him widt and led him hiz shokin kuller on him dem allz on hiz neck. den i gotz won on hiz tail it a shokin collar. rezon for dem shockers is cauze he dont stop to good and wen i shock hem to stop hem he runz backwards and i gotz to have dat won in hiz tail to make hem comze to a cumzplete stop. sumtime he dont want to get out and go huntin so one on his tail will make him get going and once he does he dont wanna stop so i got to hit the button of the one on his neck to make him whoa! them be his electric brakes sometimes and sometimes one works as a starter. man i cant hardly read that i had to stop.

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lololololololololololololololololololololololololo
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you all are so funny lol lol lol


i had fun out of all of you lol

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