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I would say the judge was awful lucky wouldnt you???

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Originally posted by treberta
I think this rule is dumb D U M B!!!!!!! It's just not right that a dog can screw the whole cast by being stationary (obviously not moving) for the whole hunt!!!!!!!!!!!! We all understand that coons run in holes, brush piles. etc.. But it should not matter if the dog on a tree or not!!!!!!!! He should have 5 minutes to tree his dog no matter if the dog is on a tree or not.

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There is another rule that should be aplied so that a dog can't "screw the whole cast by being stationary (obviously not moving) for the whole hunt!!!!!!!!!!!! " as you say. Can you find it?

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Obviously there is no such rule BUT there shiuld be. It should be just like it is in the other KC.

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These rule questions really crack me up. The reason they crack me up is because 95% of the people answering has either never been in a hunt or has been in just one or two and does'nt know the rules at all. Ill tell you that if I put a dog in a hunt I will be able to tell what he is doing by how he is barking if I cant I wont hunt him in one. And I will also know the rules by heart

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Originally posted by treberta
Obviously there is no such rule BUT there shiuld be. It should be just like it is in the other KC.

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Obviously???? Keep looking there is a rule that can be used if a dog is staying in one place for a while. I'll ask you this, (hint) what if a dog/s seems to be in a hole or something and knowbody wants to tree? I'm not too worried about the dog that is staying in one spot for two hours much anyhow but it can be delt with. Keep looking Treberta. I have point and will explain after somebody finds the rule I am talking about.

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Todd, I've already given at least one answer to it. In the other post on this subject I said if I was the judge I would have just went and scored the dog.

Remember you do NOT have to tree a dog to go score it if it is in a hole/brush pile etc. If you think they are holed you can go check it out. If they are holed/place of refuge you score it according to what you find. If not you back off and give them a chance to do whatever they are going to do.

But, that is one way around it, just go score the dog, of course if it's not treed it will only have strike points available to score but still after you score it then it would be handled.

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There is another rule that should be aplied so that a dog can't "screw the whole cast by being stationary (obviously not moving) for the whole hunt!!!!!!!!!!!! " as you say. Can you find it?

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You made my point for me. I was trying to get some folkes intrested enough to go look it up. Here is what I have been seeing in hunts since 6q came to be. dog is fooling around something and the judge starts a 5min. on dog when he is not even satified dog to be treed. 5a is not even thought of or avoided Handlers get mixed up or figure they better tree when they know they shouldn't, then get some minus when thier dog moves. Fact is, judges decision is what determins if 6q should be aplied. If the judge thinks dog is up tree use 6q, if not use 5a and go see.

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My opinion I don't care if the dog stay's there all night or not, But if it was my dog he would get his blank kicked before any hunt he was in for doin something so stupid. Can't finish a track than you better move your butt on through and find a track you can finish. A dog that just does something like that has no desire to get treed anyway, so I would venture out and say that the dog has been treeing off everybody elses dog that night to get his 350 + points as it was anyway.


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Todd, I've already given at least one answer to it. In the other post on this subject I said if I was the judge I would have just went and scored the dog.

Remember you do NOT have to tree a dog to go score it if it is in a hole/brush pile etc. If you think they are holed you can go check it out. If they are holed/place of refuge you score it according to what you find. If not you back off and give them a chance to do whatever they are going to do.

But, that is one way around it, just go score the dog, of course if it's not treed it will only have strike points available to score but still after you score it then it would be handled.

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Todd, maybe that dog DID finish the track. Maybe he finished it at the beaver dam which is a place of refuge.
How did you come to the conclusion that a dog that ends his track in a place of refuge is a me-too dog?

treberta.....when was the last time you were at a hunt where a handler let his dog bark all night in the same place without being scored? I been doing these hunts awhile now and have NEVER seen that. As Rip has pointed out very well, UKC has two rules that prevent that from ever happening. You are howling at the moon on this one.

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Todd, maybe that dog DID finish the track. Maybe he finished it at the beaver dam which is a place of refuge.
How did you come to the conclusion that a dog that ends his track in a place of refuge is a me-too dog?

treberta.....when was the last time you were at a hunt where a handler let his dog bark all night in the same place without being scored? I been doing these hunts awhile now and have NEVER seen that. As Rip has pointed out very well, UKC has two rules that prevent that from ever happening. You are howling at the moon on this one.

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Jim, I guess I came to that conclusion cause the handler refused to call his dog, (treed). My dogs have a distinctive bark when they finish a track, being on the ground or in a tree. That was my thinking. Besides why wouldn't he put the 5 on his dog he nothing to loose if his dog barking at a place of refuge. More thatn likely it would of been cirlce. Jim, also if his dog had finished a track, he should of been forced to call his dog or go back to the truck even if was a judge. Still

The me-to dog part of it, I thought I spelled it out better but if a dog that just standing out on a beaver dam doing nothing besides barking, should of gone hunting and found himself a coon, so I figured he was piggy backing the rest of the night. Just have seen a lot hounds do this in the past and their handlers let them get away with it.

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