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ok let me guess you was the winnner or 2nd place on 1st cast
and lost 2nd cast and won the 3rd
this is why i think every format should be like akc with the paint
you still can have colors

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Ok it gets better..
They re ran the 4 dogs left after the cast winner(wrong dog) was scratched. Established a winner, cast came back to club, thinking everything was fine.
Nope the genrleman had run the wrong dog in all the confusion and won the cast with a different dog than in the original cast. But this man was honest and came up and told MOH and admitted he made a mistake on his own.
So for the third time this pack is out running with remaining 3 dogs. Yes the man who won the second time was scratched.

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I have never had a dog tree a bird. I have never ran a dog on the wrong entry. You make up rumors and make excuses. I did have a dog called birdie but she never treed a bird. I would have had a good laugh if she did. If my dog treed a bird and won where were the rest of the cast? Did I get first tree,? Your not making any sense. My dogs are just dogs and capable of about anything, so quit making up stuff.

The PP format can be a good one. It needs to be better organized and maybe paint numbers on dogs or something else.
What has my dogs got to do with someone switching dogs.. Only that you are trying to turn attetion away from what happened.
The second round winner was a good sportsman and recognized his mistake and talked to MOH, why didnt the first guy do that?
Hats off to him for being honest. Why did the first one try to let it slide and get through to next round.

As for Indiana clubs I have been to the elimnator twice and thought it was well run.Same as LaGrange hunt. Got nothing agaist indiana clubs. Dont make this into something its not. No where have I said anything down grading Ind. clubs.

JON31 obviously you are a coward you have used a fake name and this is your first post. You are sureley a man among man to hide behind a fake name with fake stories. Maybe you want to defend some well known hunter, and dump on some girl with a young dog because shes nobody. Well guess what she paid her entry and deserves a chance to hunt.

No I dont have a dog in these casts but I do have a daughter that is. Will I stick up for her if I thinks she has been cheated? You bet,to my last breath. She is running a year old dog but should be on a fairplaying field, like I said there are lots of good hunters,reps,judges and dogs in PP.
Sure no one cares but I will never attend another 1. More power to those that do. Makes you wonder how many times this happens.
The decisions UKC makes about this hunt is not my problem, they will investigate it I am sure. Doing what they deem nessary. I am certain Jed and Allen will do their best to improve things.

Good luck to those still in hunt. Congrats to who ever wins, not detracting from the dog that wins in anyway.

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Was any of you posting on this topic on the cast????????
If not why would you try to bad mouth someone that you nothing about..There are no dog names only numbers.

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I was judge on that cast. I dont read the names of the dogs and don't care about them just the numbers. It's the job of the handlers to get the right dog in the right cast. That handler in my opinion made a mistake. In fact both dogs won there casts and were then scratched. So I don't think he was cheating he just forgot what #s his dogs were.

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Just a mistake not cheating like some are trying to say....and mistakes do happen..

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mistakes are made i think he got the shaft end of the deal seeing how both his dogs won there casts. Sometimes people get caught up in there surroundings and forget to pay attention to things. I don't know his situation and how many dogs he had i would'nt hold a grudge on someone for that. If he had more than one dog in and they got mixed up honestly not that big of a deal. If he was only running ONE dog under a different name then yeah maybe it's something to fuss about..does'nt sound like that was the case...

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His was running two dogs.

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We had a great time down there met a nice young man that judge our cast from ohio that will be a great judge. Thought Dale Barns done a great job as master of hounds and explaining the expectations of judges, and handlers. This PP World by far was the best one i have attended since is was started. Out of all the clubs i attend i enjoy the hunts there the most. Great job guys.



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besides this little thing everything went well
had planty of running, had lots of good complents
cant wait until next year

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It was my cast this happemed on. To you foxxy YES, judge of cast 15 read name of dogs. You are right I was the winner . Problem with that I will be more than happy to give you my number. The handler knew it was the wrong dog and went to the gentlmen who owned the dog to question him. Several people heard him. Honest mistake??? Yet to be determined.
The whole thing was a joke. The master of hounds made his decsion. There is no reason it should have been a problem after that. If so the 2 people that came forth with the problem should have done so in a timely manner, not 3 hours later and the cast for the next day had already been posted. Also, it was none of their business.
Brings up another point, if cast 17 had to rerun why not 15? Je said because it didn't make difference. Why not??
With all of the DRAMA I did meet several nice people and Mr. Barnes did a great job at being master of hounds.

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this there was 8 others i guess reps. with the help of jed i think made the decion
there was six from diffent states that made it not just one
so now you are calling out 6 others and the protest was made with in the 15 min. so if it took 1 min or 3 days to get right dont matter
i was up there when they rolled out the dogs we didnt know the protest still was going on
i dont think ther guy won in cast 15 i think it was a dog named nip he beat the othe 3 dogs in his cast that was the explaining we got not the dog owned by this gentelman
and no i have no problen with you

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I'm sorry where you involved??? I don't believe so, so I would say you don't know first hand. Also how would it not make a differnece in cast 15? Doesn't matter if that dog won or not, without it there another dog could have looked better, you never know.
I'm not trying to blame it on one rep. I know who it was started by. The master of hounds made his decsion should have been over. Yes, it does matter I was told I was moving on. Pretty ****** 3 hrs later changed. Let it happen to you and see how you feel. If there was a problem should have been addressed in 30 mins.
Its pretty sad that this is they way novice handlers are treated in UKC. I was running a 15 mth old pup, it was her 3rd performance pack hunt, she had to run 4 rounds more than any dog there, how is that fair???
I thought I was doing the right thing by catching the mistake, instead it turned into a nightmare.

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i was not there, have no clue who made it through to the semi-finals or finals, but how did you run 4 more rounds than any other dog....confused with this....could you clarify please? thanks.

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ONE person turned this into nightmares for you. Are you trying to say by your "pup" having to run more then one round you was mistreated? Come on already--the world is over--sorry but you didn't win. J DELL got the job done!

foxxy & everyone helping

I had a great time this weekend! Thank you for putting on another great event. I will make sure to mark the calendar for this one next year. Congrats to all who placed and J Dell for winning the PP world.

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Something doesn't sound right to me. Like she said, if one cast was ran over why wouldn't the other one be. Something is definitely not right. So the guy who ran the wrong dog knew it was the wrong dog?

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Isn't it supposed to be fun to trial? Some people make things bigger than what they are. I'll stick to going with my buddies and running my dogs. I feel blessed to have good friends to run with. I enjoy listening to the dogs run. I feel blessed that I have my health to be able to get out and run my dogs.

I understand somewhat why people would get upset. BUT it's not all about winning some stupid trophy. Should be proud that we live in a country where we can own beagles and be able to enjoy them.

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So Jon31 you are saying cheating is the right thing to do. I'm not making it about me there were other people on that cast it was about them too. I am sure they aould have asked about the problem also if they had caught it. By no means am I trying to take away from Matt or his win. However, I will not be bashed and not stick up for myself. Perhaps you would like my number and if you have a problem still you may discuss it with me?
on the positive sideI am sure UKC will take the proper steps to make sure this does not happen again.

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After reading this really looks like the guy cheated ,trying to match his dogs up in cast matchup that suited him. give him a year to think if it was worth it thats just how it seems in my opinoin,dogs were not even same sex. Howmany times have any of you that do this format alot ever seen this?

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Isn't it supposed to be fun to trial? Some people make things bigger than what they are. I'll stick to going with my buddies and running my dogs. I feel blessed to have good friends to run with. I enjoy listening to the dogs run. I feel blessed that I have my health to be able to get out and run my dogs.

I understand somewhat why people would get upset. BUT it's not all about winning some stupid trophy. Should be proud that we live in a country where we can own beagles and be able to enjoy them.

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The cast had to run first round three times. Give me a break. How many cast did the dogs that made it to the finals run? Those dogs had to run round 1.. 3 times. Dont you think they would be at a disadvatage compared to other 1st round winners that only ran 1 time.
There are things in misconduct report that is not common knowledge so let UKC sort it out.

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Don't think that we have forgotten that cast that you won with your BIRD DOG! Treed a bird and still won the cast, now that is SOMETHING to be proud of.
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did'nt wanna stir it up more just wanted to put that out there...i was'nt there can't put the whole story togethor from these posts here...i can see how the mistake could be made if alot of hussle was going on and different people handling dogs etc...i dunno.. if it was an honest mistake cut some slack, if it was on purpose then something should be done...

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look at your organization here. look at this cheating and it is cheating. to many rules and not enough people who want the best dog to win. only their dog to win and could care less what dog they put in the cast. this is why u lose entries.

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Good post Lance!
I dont know the details of all this nor do I really care but what I do know is that this should of been settled at the hunt and forgotten about. A protest should of been filed by all who didnt like what was going on and if they didnt like the outcome they should of filed a formal complaint. Coming on the message board crying like a couple of two year olds doesnt solve anything!
On top of my work schedule conflicting with running dogs and going to the hunts, this kind of crap along with all the bickering that goes on is why I stepped down as IL State Rep. Its sad to say that most weekends it much more pleasant without having to listen to BS like this. Now if we can just keep it off the message board it would be even better! GROW UP CHILDREN!

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