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I am not talking about entitlement or socialism, I am talking about when your children or grandchildren or an of your loved ones drive across a bridge and possibility of it collapsing and killing them.
Our ability to transfer goods to market faster and cheaper to make business owner better able to make a profit .
I'm taking about about how without replacing our aged infrastructure we will with out a doubt be a third world country looking for hand outs from country's that are better off than ourselves.

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What I'm saying is infrastructure makes the country the same way a uniform make a football team.

Infrastructure is nice but its not why we have been the greatest nation in history. Its not why people have immigrated by the millions to our country, its the hope of something better.

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Infrastructure is not nice it is essential for the transportation of raw goods to manufactures and processed goods to market as well as everyday transportation to complete both of these.
The dependable and working condition of our power grid is not nice it is vital.
The ability to turn on your water and know it is safe to drink is not only nice but essential .

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Soi if we have nice trains and bridges we can be like france?????????? or China?????? Who the hell wants that?????????

we have become a nation of entitlement on the verge of socialism. We want the government to discipline and educate or kids, take care of our retirement, provide for the elderly. What made this country great was individualism, we take care of our selves and our own.

I want to take care of my family and myself and not depend on a government handout and its all fear?????????? We need to get back to what made us unique and great but I fear its too late. I don't think it bridges and trains.

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Why do we need Infrastructure if we dont manufacture?

Rob I dont know what exactly what the solution is. I do think that with enough people that think alike, and enough persistance can create change. I am more of a loaner, not so much of a leader and will hold off on saying what I think will work. But we the people need to band together.

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Infrastructure is not nice it is essential for the transportation of raw goods to manufactures and processed goods to market as well as everyday transportation to complete both of these.
The dependable and working condition of our power grid is not nice it is vital.
The ability to turn on your water and know it is safe to drink is not only nice but essential .

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yes! except i think we're far past the "verge".

we have come to believe we are "entitled" to what throughout the history of man could only be considered luxuries. we have "dis-incentivized" achievement for "arbitrary" outcomes. and we are making "funny money" to "pay"( lol lol) for it.

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remember rome? this is a recurring theme of mine.

how about overspending and using "money" devaluation as the means of financing it all. WE ARE BROKE- we cannot continue to finance pie in the sky statist dreams. our children will hate us in the end as i hold my grandparents responsible for the likes of fdr.

how you like that discussion?

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there is NO INCENTIVE for capital to seek a return from taking on risk, there is only a risk to the value of the capital itself. the threat of government takeover and/or virtual takeover via regulation is SCARING capital into unproductive things like GOLD.

WE ARE DEALING WITH STATIST COLLECTIVISTS. do not kid yourself into thinking otherwise. CAPITAL PRESERVATION and risk pursuit by capital for gains historically have seldom went had in hand on the timeline, if you know what i mean.

we "assume" those things you stated to be "essential", but they are actually luxuries that were provided by the beautiful thing we once called "capitalism". without "capitalism", we may eventually get to think about them as luxury again. think diminishing tax base.

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imo, i think infrastrcute is low down on the totum pole of this countries pressing problems. i know alot of the stimulus should eventually go to these areas, and the govt is subsidizing a ton of build america bonds that should also help out the state and local municipalities with these type of projects. im certainly not smart enough or informed enough to know the answers, but if i had to say anything it would be:

if you want to change your country's direction and politics, act locally, that is really where you can make a difference and it would trickle up. its amazing how many people dont even know who their city mayor is.

if you want to improve your station in life, continuosly improve your skill set and qualifications. its all about where your priorities are at. that being said, a person of low intelligence is going to have a very hard time to move up at no fault of their own.

i do know that governement intervention and the govt picking winning companies and industries surely isnt the answer.

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i do know that governement intervention and the govt picking winning companies and industries surely isnt the answer.

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They have us brainwashed into thinking government spending can stimulate the economy and reverse a downturn. It may help in some instances but if it does it wasn't a long term problem anyway. All stimulus is is a fancy way of the governement distributing the wealth. WWII got us out of the great depression,not Roosevelt. And WWII wouldn't have done it if we had not WON the war. We seem to have forgot the significance of winning and losing wars.

Can anyone show me where stimulus spending is addressed in the constitution???????????????? Can anyone even twist it and make it constitutionally sound?????????????

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I didnt advocate government spending or stimulus packages in any of my previous posts on this subject.
I did how ever bring up the subject that the stimulus spending -which has already being allocated-has not been spent wisely or at all.
Believe me, I am not for this Recovery Package that in its self isn't what this post was/is about.
This post is about the terrible state of our infrastructure which many have been drilled to think is only roads and bridges.not true. Our infrastructure is a vast system that also includes the,power grid,water supply.waste water. storm water, levees.dams.
You can hate government spending all you want ,but you can not deny that you are the users of at least on or more parts of the infrastructure system. As a user you have obligations to the up keep and replacement of said systems.
And as far as WWII being the reason we recovered from the Depression, isn't entirely true it was mainly time and the reconverted wartime factories and their abilities to move finished goods on or new state of art interstate system(infrastructure).
Yes winning that war did bring us the spoils, we prospered because our roads,bridges,factories,schools(infrastructure) wasn't damage. Our society had been restricted to wartime rationing and now these restrictions were lifted.
Our factories were reconverted and we were set up as the work sop of the world, much as China has been.
Unemployment right after the war (soldiers returning) nearly continued the Depression if not for our new position as world work shop turning out goods badly needed to repair and replace in war ravage ares of Europe and Japan. Remember thats were the MADE IN THE USA slogan originally came from and was the stamp of quality products made with pride by American citizens.
With that said that is what lifted us out of The Great Depression not just the simple fact that we won the war. But I whole heartedly agree that no military engagement since then has been fought with the goal of victory at all. Instead it has been used for political and economic profits.
But that doesn't address the original question, How do we correct our current situation?

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I didnt advocate government spending or stimulus packages in any of my previous posts on this subject.
I did how ever bring up the subject that the stimulus spending -which has already being allocated-has not been spent wisely or at all.
Believe me, I am not for this Recovery Package that in its self isn't what this post was/is about.
This post is about the terrible state of our infrastructure which many have been drilled to think is only roads and bridges.not true. Our infrastructure is a vast system that also includes the,power grid,water supply.waste water. storm water, levees.dams.
You can hate government spending all you want ,but you can not deny that you are the users of at least on or more parts of the infrastructure system. As a user you have obligations to the up keep and replacement of said systems.
And as far as WWII being the reason we recovered from the Depression, isn't entirely true it was mainly time and the reconverted wartime factories and their abilities to move finished goods on or new state of art interstate system(infrastructure).
Yes winning that war did bring us the spoils, we prospered because our roads,bridges,factories,schools(infrastructure) wasn't damage. Our society had been restricted to wartime rationing and now these restrictions were lifted.
Our factories were reconverted and we were set up as the work sop of the world, much as China has been.
Unemployment right after the war (soldiers returning) nearly continued the Depression if not for our new position as world work shop turning out goods badly needed to repair and replace in war ravage ares of Europe and Japan. Remember thats were the MADE IN THE USA slogan originally came from and was the stamp of quality products made with pride by American citizens.
With that said that is what lifted us out of The Great Depression not just the simple fact that we won the war. But I whole heartedly agree that no military engagement since then has been fought with the goal of victory at all. Instead it has been used for political and economic profits.
But that doesn't address the original question, How do we correct our current situation?

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Cut capital gains in half on american companies that produce products on american soil. This will give the power to the people. Thats why our government would never go for it.

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Cut capital gains in half on american companies that produce products on american soil. This will give the power to the people. Thats why our government would never go for it.

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I went through central Iowa a few weeks ago , lots of bridge replacement and repair going on . Went to Texas 3 weeks ago almost a one lane trip for 800 miles , lots of interstate construction . airline industry took over the rail industry for travel many years ago , we already have a well established system there. look at Am track , not popular . I dont see train travel ever being able to replace air travel in this want it now society. JMO

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What is it folks do you not care or are you waiting for someone to come take your hand and lead you into the promised land?

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Rob,

wasnt alluding to you with my comments, sorry if it came off that way. just dont agree with alot of the ways the govt is going about things.

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I was just clarifying my position is all.
And I am also I big believer that a slash in capital gains would be a very good start.
No, John I never got to Rome , just Germany, France, Austria,Sweden and Spain.
I think that like the egg and chicken argument that infrastructure replacement/repair would be the chicken, with increased employment, wage earning increased. and consumer spending being the egg.
I guess it's just what side of the fence your looking from to how green the grass is,lol. Or if it needs mowed.

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I was just clarifying my position is all.
And I am also I big believer that a slash in capital gains would be a very good start.
No, John I never got to Rome , just Germany, France, Austria,Sweden and Spain.
I think that like the egg and chicken argument that infrastructure replacement/repair would be the chicken, with increased employment, wage earning increased. and consumer spending being the egg.
I guess it's just what side of the fence your looking from to how green the grass is,lol. Or if it needs mowed.

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