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dual walkers
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JUNIOR L.

HOW ARE YA . ME AND MY BIG BROTHER WILL BE THERE ,, BRINGING HIM TWO PUPPIES. GOT TO GET SOME OLD DOGS BACK IN THE WEST.. FOR THE LEGEND TO HANDLE..

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I don't see what that is going to help. All the other dogs would be showing for is a trophy, because you would have to bring the purina dogs back for the state title or what ever title you are showing for. If you can't beat them in your class you can't beat them for the title.

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Ok if you guys seperate the two Shows one State one Purina and I am at the event dont you think I would enter my dog in both the events ?

Just a thought

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quote:
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I don't see what that is going to help. All the other dogs would be showing for is a trophy, because you would have to bring the purina dogs back for the state title or what ever title you are showing for. If you can't beat them in your class you can't beat them for the title.

Junior, they would be showing for the Class points WITHOUT the Purina runners in there.

Would increase show entries AND still have the PURINA runners too.

Looks to me like a WIN/WIN situation!!!!!!!!!!!

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diamondridge
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JR I guess we are on the same page lol

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dual walkers
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I THINK WHAT HE IS SAYING IS THAT THE PURINA RACE WILL BE A SEPERATE SHOW AND THE MONEY TAKEN IN FROM THE PURINA SHOW WOULD GO TO THE BREED WINNERS AND THE OVERALL WINNER AT THE END OF THE RACE . THAT WOULD CREATE MORE MONEY IN THE PAYOUT FOR THE PURINA RACE MORE PEOPLE WOULD EVEN RUN THE RACE.. ALL THE MONEY TAKEN IN FROM ENTERYS ALL YEAR IN THE PURINA EVENTS PLUS THE PURINA MONEY WOULD BE PAID BACK TOO THE WINNERS.. AND YOU WOULD STILL HAVE THE PRESTIGE OF THE TITLE.. AND THE PURINA RACE DOGS CANT ENTER THE REGULAR SHOW.. I MEAN YOUR PURINA DOGS ARE MOSTLEY GRAND. CHAMPIONS ANYWAY. IF YOU HAVE GRANDS THAT WONT TO SHOW FOR TITLE THEN THEY CAN AS LONG AS THERE NOT RUNNING THE PURINA RACE .. AND EVEN HAVE SOME PURINA ONLY EVENTS THAT BRINGS THE BIG DOGS. FOR A SHOW OF THERE OWN.. JUST LIKE THE TRIPLE CROWN OF HORSE RACEING YOU HAVE ONLY CERTIAN HORSES IN IT..

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Ok if you guys seperate the two Shows one State one Purina and I am at the event dont you think I would enter my dog in both the events ?

Just a thought

Yes you could BUT to enter the Purina Show would cost you a little more money to enter.

Say a show cost everyone $15. Then make the Purina Show $30.

Local guy pays $15 for a chance at a win.

Purina runners will pay $15 for show AND then pay $30 for Purina Show.

Your paying $45 to locals $15.....Will cut down on some I think entering a plain UKC show

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some people just show there dogs not intending to run the race and then ending up with points and wanting to go on just wanting to win their Breed . When do you have to decied if this dogs is entered as a purina race dog or not ? See what I am saying

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I dont mean to argu but If I believe my dog is good enough to win the purina race I believe in my dog can win a overall State Championship and I believe we all like these titles.

I am going to bed just a few of my points

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I don't see what splitting would help. Because if the purina dogs aren't Gr.Ch. when the year starts they will be early in the season. Then they are only showing for a trophy.
You can't not let the purina dogs show for the overall title. If you can't beat them in the class you can't beat them for the title.

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vera i see what your saying too and i agree but most of the time the purina winner has already won numerious titles .. so have a seperate race for it and all breeds would compete more . that gives more money back to the winner. or if you want to only win your breed then keep up with the points and go to enought shows and hope to win your breed. have a purina race toadley seperate from any other show. makes it more exciting..

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See what little I know. I thought the whole idea of competing was...........well just that to compete. Go to an event and stack what you got up against what everybody else brought.....rather that be in a hunt or show. Who could feel good about a win, knowing full well they had "ducked" the compition to get it. Dont fool yourself entering the "easy" event and not the event where the true competition is, is just that ducking the competition.

I know 1 thing. If I had spent the time and money to drive very far for an event, a $15 entry fee wouldnt stop me from entering any others held the same place as well. Especially if it involved a state title. Entry fees are cheap when you look at the cost of the dog, travel, equipment, feed, ext.

Arent these Purina Shows like the Purina Hunts, if an event fails to draw a certain # of entries 2 years in a row.....or whatever it is, the event is pulled from the list????? I ask because I dont go out of my way to go to just a show, so I dont really fallow the show part of the Purina races. If that isnt the case it should be.

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junior its just like the triple crown of horse raceing you wouldnt want to run a quarter horse in it . so why show a dog thats not going to win in the purina show.. it would be a total differant show ,, say you would show all breeds like they do at a.o. and then come back for the show winner. and reserve with each getting so many points. thats all they get and the points would determan the winner at the end of the year..

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the purina show doesent have to be at a state show it could be a total differant show.you could have purina shows only that would bring in those good dogs and create more of a pay out . and have your state shows any time you want. for the state title then you show what you bring. but if i was running the purina race and ther was a purina show in ohio. and state show in ky. i would decide what show i wanted to go too. go for a state title or try for the big one thats giving me more points.. for the overall title.. have your hunt and show and that would bring out more dogs. if im a hunter or show person and want to try the big dogs then its my choice.

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quote:
Originally posted by diamondridge
some people just show there dogs not intending to run the race and then ending up with points and wanting to go on just wanting to win their Breed . When do you have to decied if this dogs is entered as a purina race dog or not ? See what I am saying

Do it like the hunt, when a dog earns so many points, they earn PURINA STATUS

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I don't see what splitting would help. Because if the purina dogs aren't Gr.Ch. when the year starts they will be early in the season. Then they are only showing for a trophy.
You can't not let the purina dogs show for the overall title. If you can't beat them in the class you can't beat them for the title.

Also showing for the TOP TEN points as well

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you can have a sign up and if you think your dog is good enough to run the race then go for it. and if you have say a state show then you dont have the presure of the purina dogs on the title even if say there is 10 or so of the dogs running the race show up the local hunters or show people dont have on mind that they cant compete because of one or two dogs. theres no purina points on that peticular hunt or show. its only for the state title and the top ten points in the show.. i think it would draw more enterys back to the state level hunts. and shows.

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Re: I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS,

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TO A MAN WHOM WE RESPECT AS BREEDER A HUNTER AND WONDERFUL FRIEND "CONGRULATIONS' '' LEE CURRENS ''!
Also CONGRATS to two great handlers LISA!!! and MIKE for a job well done...

And I for one want to second that with a HUGE CONGRATULATIONS !!!!

And I also want to say that not one thing in my comment was to discredit anyone one from any win. If it was taken that way I do sincerely apologize to anyone offended...Just stating facts on how we as individuals feel about entering the Purina/State races....It wasn't to ruffle anyones feathers.

I think that the ones that know me, knows better than that.

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here in Indiana, not having the state show be a Purina show hasn't helped entries at all. Entries have been steadlly declining each year.

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Re: Purina Race Shows...

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just wondering what everyone's thoughts are that the Purina shows at state level takes away from the entry's. KY state was this weekend and for instance the grand classes the males had what 3 or 4 dogs each day and the grand females only 3 on Fri. and what 4 maybe 5 on sat. that's very disappointing. no more dogs came to show. is it that the local state dogs owners and handlers don't want to show against the Purina race dogs or what.. just curious of what people think..

well, here's my thoughts. I have been on both sides of the fence on this one as have other people. I have noticed that at some events, the locals will not enter dogs because "I dont have a chance against xyz" say what you will, but that is a fact. The locals probably are exicted that a big event is in the area, but disappointed because if they feel that have a quality GRCH that what would be the point to enter if only the purina dogs are chosen? how many non-purina running dogs win the GRCH classes (if others are entered)??? I have won a few Purina shows and lost many more. It troubles me as well, even when running the PR that when a dog is having a terribly off day and still wins. it is discouraging to say the least. For those that want to run the PR - good luck. I tried it once, won breed, and I do not want to do it again. Until the politics are reigned in, the numbers will be off for the local entries.

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Hi Sabriana

How are you sweetie

I sure know you never mean to do any harm.

Well I guess we can go on and on about this..........

I am going to go play with my hounds

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Just think of all the coon that coulda been treed during this debate last night................

"Purty" good exercise for them there hound's to.............

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Hi Vera,
Yeah, you know I have more respect for everyone, that I would not dare try and hurt anyone feelings over a win or a loss at any particular event. I thought I made it pretty clear that it's not my dog power, it's me. It's my lack of handling skills that keeps me from stacking up against the bigger names. So why the heck waste the money at these Purina shows, when I am already sinking $100 to $150 in event entries in other events that I know I have a better chance at. I have three that I would gladly show at any event if I thought that my handling skills would hold up. So that is 3 hounds there that do not get entered and most of the time are already there at the event. I am not a sore looser, but I don't have the money to throw in the wind at a Purina show. Not only the economics of it, but to set my dogs up for losses they don't always deserve. They deserve better than that from me.

My comments and feelings are addressed to the question being asked, which is about the Purina Race/state events low turn outs at some of them...That is it and I stand by my post...Sabrina

Anyways,
Yep, going back out to play with mine too..Trying to get everybody ready for a show this weekend. We are getting a chilly, slow, fall rain today, so I had to come back in and get something else on.

Hey, one of my Tracker X Saturn pups is gonna be making his first show this weekend. I am so very excited! Oh, and may I add that the reports on this last litter on how well they are doing in the woods is AWSOME!!

Take care and I hope to see ya soon !!

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Just think of all the coon that coulda been treed during this debate last night................

"Purty" good exercise for them there hound's to.............

You are so right.....We actually did have three in the woods last night...The boys had 2 out and our buddy is hunting a female of ours. It sounds like they all had a good time of it....Sabrina

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I was in the woods!!!!!

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