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Casey that all made my head hurt. Dog a was treed before they would make the decision to call time-out so the rule 8 note is useless.

(g) Time out will be called when dog(s) are trailing and out of hearing distance in different directions.

How much easier does it need to read ???????????????? Notice that it states dog(s) which in this case b and c are dogs. Case closed.

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NO! in this situation once time-out is called dogs c and b have to be gathered up by there handler within the hour or be scratched. That's the risk when you call time-out. Once you vote to call time-out it doesn't matter if b and c would have jammed a tree 30 seconds after calling time-out. No points will be counted during time-out EXCEPT dog a but as soon as dogs a's tree is scored time-out is in effect.

HOBO if they were trailing away from dog a out of hearing then YES you would call time-out. My gosh i don't know why i even bother. How simple does this need to be???????

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NO! in this situation once time-out is called dogs c and b have to be gathered up by there handler within the hour or be scratched. That's the risk when you call time-out. Once you vote to call time-out it doesn't matter if b and c would have jammed a tree 30 seconds after calling time-out. No points will be counted during time-out EXCEPT dog a but as soon as dogs a's tree is scored time-out is in effect.

HOBO if they were trailing away from dog a out of hearing then YES you would call time-out. My gosh i don't know why i even bother. How simple does this need to be???????

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EXACTLY and im saying time-out should be called!!!! Does dogs a tree still get scored yes! But as soon as the tree is scored handlers of dog b and c get 1 hour to meet back up.

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No they don't. First you have to go back to where you last heard them and put the 8 on them. If the 8 catches them you minus them and then they have an hour to catch them and get back with the cast.

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Slick 50 is getting confused about a rule that adresses dogs that are trailing out of hearing in different directions as opposed to a situation where you score a tree and can no longer hear the other dogs fter scoring that tree. These are two differnt sitations and different rules apply. If dogs are trailing out of hearing, you call time right then. You cannot wait until after a dog gets treed and then say "ok, we're callinmg timeout so I can avoid getting hammered by the 8 minute rule". Fact is, you could hear those dogs when you headed for that tree. If you couldn't, you should have called timeout right then. But you didn't do that. Now you score the tree, you can no longer hear the dogs,. You don't really know if they got out of hearing or just quit their track. That is why you apply the 8 and minus if the 8 catches them.

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Then please wise hobo explain this rule to me

(g) Time out will be called when dog(s) are trailing and out of hearing distance in different directions.

Since you know the rules so well explain this one to me.

Jim only common sense (which many coon hunters lack) will tell you that if you are walking the opposite way of the two trailing dogs in this case c and b to go to dog a's tree of course you will no longer be able to hear them. the rule doesn't say with exception of a dog treeing it simply states if dog(s) are trailing in different directions and in this case dog c and b are trailing in different directions. Simple as night and day.

So let me ask you Jim if you were the handler of b or c would you let the 8 catch you? Absolutley NOT you would immedietley ask to call time-out in accordince with rule 8(g).

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I've done my best to make it understood. It's not working so I'm done. Hit some UKC hunts and you will find out.

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So let me ask you Jim if you were the handler of b or c would you let the 8 catch you? Absolutley NOT you would immedietley ask to call time-out in accordince with rule 8(g).

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Jim it's not hard to understand and i hunt in many hunts. At least 1 a week so trust me i know the rules like the back of my hand, same as you do. You would find out if you ever drew me. You have youre oppinion on the rule and i have mine. The rule speaks for itself all we have to do is interpret it.

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HELL NO I wouldn't want to call time out!! If my dog is treed ( which she ought to be after the time it takes to go score the tree and walk back ) then I want to go back to where I last heard her and see if I can still hear her. Start the 8 if we can't and I want to walk the way I last heard her. Where as if I let you call time out after scoring the tree I have automatically gave away my strike points, and possibly a tree.

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Then please wise hobo explain this rule to me

(g) Time out will be called when dog(s) are trailing and out of hearing distance in different directions.

Since you know the rules so well explain this one to me.

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OK TK or Allen lets here what you all have to say?

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Go to dog or dogs that treed first Score em, return to where you could hear the other dogs. Put the 8 on them, but you should get of your lazy butts and walk towards the way you heard them last. Time out should be the last resort.

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(g) Time out will be called when dog(s) are trailing and out of hearing distance IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.

Dog A is NOT TRAILING, its on a leash! And last the cast knew, Dogs B and C, are going THE SAME DIRECTION!!

Start the 8, and either break it or minus accordingly!

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Actually dogs B and C were going in oppoite directions to.

Allen we're waiting.

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Since you said they were going against the wind, I assumed they were generally the same direction....South and East isn't quite what I call opposite directions.

Oh well. Still don't think the rule is an option. Somebody should have spoke up way before Dog A treed if it was going to be a problem with dogs trailing out of hearing in opposite directions. And the way Jim explains it is the way it has been applied in any cast I have been on.

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The time to call time for dogs trailing in opposit directions is BEFORE a dog is declared treed. Once a dog is treed, you are now required to run the 8. No way around it. You can't call timeout to avoid getting minused on the 8.

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So what you are saying is if going to dog A's tree takes you out of hearing of trailing dogs, you don't go back to where you heard them last. Are you saying you start the 8 as soon as you come off dog A's tree? It seems to me you would at least go back to where you heard them last before you start the 8.

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They covered this is the Advisor, don't remember if it's in the book and I can't find it or if it was in the magazine.

You go back to the last place you could hear the dogs and then procede to a REASONABLE location to hear the dogs (top of the hill, etc.) before you start the 8. That doesn't mean walk a mile in the direction the dogs were headed though.

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gots to be more to treeing a coon than a dog you cant
hear 400 yrds in the flat co.

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hey guys - with the new garmins out their now the one hour time out is a joke. we use to have walk around and listen for our dogs and get back within the hour. i would say recast dog A and tree another coon. what would you rather hunt dog A or dog B & C? the other dogs aren't your biggest problem, its the time you're losing in the hunt. Time is your worse enemy, not the other dogs.

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Heck, I`m relatively new to this stuff and I understand this question, 1. as long as A is treed before B and C get out of hearing you have to score A`s tree, after A`s tree is scored you go back to where you last heard B and C and start the 8, if the 8 catches them then you minus their strike and call time-out and have an hour to catch or get scratched, I think most would head towards where they were last heard while the 8 was running out of courtesy to B and C.

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If the handler could hear the dog that was treeing then it hadn't went out of hearing yet. Go score the tree and then go back and put the 8 on the other dogs.

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Id tell you I heard my dog in the direction I heard them last, just save me from minus points and start walking in the direction, I am sure mine would be treed anyway. Called playing the game. This happens all the time.

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