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first of all there are blue dog winning a lot of hunts. no walkers dont get culled more than any other breed if that was true there where not be so many in the dog pounds.. yes walker dog have won more hunts then any other breed but there are thing on why that is.. one some one or a few people years ago took the faster dog of that time and used it and breed for the right traits and by all means had a better dog won all the hunts that is a fact but they have gone to far and now have tree grabing idiots.. the blue dog is no longer a slow track dog it is as a breed not where i think they should be but you cant get them all there over night. any one who would say that one breed is better than all others is just stupid.. there are good and bad in all. as far a a winter dog what he is saying is his dog has the coon when he said here it is boy's. summer time dog is one who trees 30 trees a night and you dont know for sure if it is there or not so when the leaves are off then you know.. slick or not. ask anyone who has drawn one of my blue dogs in a hunt all go home saying the same thing dam that was a nice blue dog. and when i dont win my cast or the hunt most of the time it was a handler misstake not the dogs. yes i have been beat by better dogs and by better handlers some time thats just the way it is..if you think a blue dog has never won the ukc world hunt you need to go back and look again. and if you do the math numbers of dogs reg to number of dogs that win the blue dogs hold there own just fine..

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does it all year long, but when some with other breeds are sitting home on bad winter nights I'm out looking at coon in trees. As far as Walkers go the best in the winter are of Lone Pine blood that I have seen. Nose power and speed. That is what it takes here to be successful in January and February. These are my observations and that is why I feed Blues.. If I wanted Walkers they would have Lone Pine in em..

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Wayne if what is on the end of your lead suits u, that is what matters. not too many good blue dogs in this part of the country from what I have seen, some will tree a coon but not consistantly not saying they are not out there, I;m just partial to the tri colored dogs.

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Please since you know so much about the bluetic breed please show me the year in which a bluetic won the world hunt? I myself have had 3 friends swear by bluetics for about a year. And it wasnt just 3 dogs they were handeling it was over 12. They gave up on the breed. I can honestly say i have never lost a pkc cast to a bluetic nor have i ever been to a pkc hunt where one has won oh wait i take that back one of my buddies beat me one time with the bluetic he was handeling. So if theres good ones out there they must be hiding. As far as ukc goes ive been beat by a bluetic twice. I only wish i could tell you how many hunts ive been too but its somewhere around 500. And dont try and tell me its because there prolly wasnt any bluetics there because there were at least 4 at most of them. P

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Why do Walker men care if another man likes to hunt a Blue dog? To say there are only a couple of them out there that are any good is about the most rediculous statement I've ever heard. So what if none has won a world hunt YET. And bc one hasn't won a world yet they as a considered a poor breed of dog? Thats like saying bc Rusty Wallace never won the Daytona 500 he wasn't a good race car driver and when one finally does win they will say he/she was lucky. Was Earnhardt lucky when he finally won the Daytona 500 after 20 some tries? Was he not a good racer until he won it? Of course not, that's a silly notion and it's exactly they same thing alot of Walker men say and think about a bluetick How many Walker dogs have Jet 8 or Guage or Sadie or Hemi beaten over the years? They have proven over again they can run with any dog out there no matter what breed it is.

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Please since you know so much about the bluetic breed please show me the year in which a bluetic won the world hunt? I myself have had 3 friends swear by bluetics for about a year. And it wasnt just 3 dogs they were handeling it was over 12. They gave up on the breed. I can honestly say i have never lost a pkc cast to a bluetic nor have i ever been to a pkc hunt where one has won oh wait i take that back one of my buddies beat me one time with the bluetic he was handeling. So if theres good ones out there they must be hiding. As far as ukc goes ive been beat by a bluetic twice. I only wish i could tell you how many hunts ive been too but its somewhere around 500. And dont try and tell me its because there prolly wasnt any bluetics there because there were at least 4 at most of them. P

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Yes i agree with some of what you said perry, although im just stating what i my-self have seen. You would think that out of the hundreds of hunts ive been to i would at least be able to count 5 good bluetics right? Well i honestly cant, im not prejudice against bluetics just dont understand why most people hunt them. Sure you can name a few that's done a decent amount of winning but i would hate to see how many replies we would get on walker dogs that have done alot of winning wouldn't you? In my experience out of the bluetics that i have hunted with and theres a bunch they were pack dogs. very few get treed by themselves and that's the way the breed is generally speaking. Again im NOT against the bluetic breed i just dont understand why people bother with most of them but i guess you buy the feed its youre business what you hunt.

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Well I enjoy getting on here and finding some information on the blueticks but I don't enjoy the bashing. One day it would be nice to see a KC to have just a heads up cast all the way down to the wire. I beieve then and only then can you prove a world champion. There is so much me tooing and grabing trees and what not that a 4 dog cast does not consistantly show who the real coon dog in the cast is. When you put a dog head to head with first tree getting 125 points with the leaves off, by golly we will see who the real coon dog is!!!

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I am a pleasure hunter and live out in West Texas where it is a long way to any competition hunt. Even if I lived closer, I am not sure that I would hunt them. It seems the dogs that do well in the hunts are hot nosed and I can certainly understand why you would not want a dog wasting time cold trailing.
I breed my hounds to cold trail as I want them to be able to work an old track, coon, bobcat or lion. It can forget how to rain out here and you simply have to have a dog with a little more nose to catch anything.
I used to raise registered Treeing Walkers back in the '70s. They were nice coonhounds when I had moisture but they struggled when it got dry. I also felt that they did not diversify into other game as well, especially bobcats which we had a lot of in South Texas.
I am not knocking any breed for there are good ones of all colors.
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I wish the bigger hunts would be held in the south in a smaller coon population than somewhere a beagle could tree a coon. Walkers have no hunting stlye they take off in a straight line and run as fast as they possibly can until they strike. Blueticks tend to be wider hunters who dont miss many coon. If the world hunt was held where I live there wouldnt be many scores over 1000 without cheating. Them high powered walker dogs would be outa the country and there would either be alot of time wasted either walking miles or timeouts when the other breeds are hunting wide and find a coon and tree it and when that walker dog hears another dog they are coming to get a piece of the race or grab the tree(typical of 99% of the walkers ive hunted with). And who you think would win not that walker that didnt get first strike or first tree. I hate buckets they were designed for the walkers. Just like hunting ditches full of coons the first dog in the front is gon get first strike. If these hunts were held in big woods the results would drastically change.

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Well Trevor whoever you are. Be real careful who you start calling a fraud and a fake. I atleast sign with my complete name. I dont know how bigga ol boy you are but it dont matter if you had the marbles to say that rediculous crap to my face you would have to explain to your buddies if you got any, how you and your Walcur got beat by an old man and a bluetick.

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Well Trevor whoever you are. Be real careful who you start calling a fraud and a fake. I atleast sign with my complete name. I dont know how bigga ol boy you are but it dont matter if you had the marbles to say that rediculous crap to my face you would have to explain to your buddies if you got any, how you and your Walcur got beat by an old man and a bluetick.

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What a shame this has to happen to a thread about blueticks once again. It started with a question to bluetick men about their dogs so why would a walker guy who hates blue dogs enough to embarass himself by acting like a child even comment. The type of dog a person chooses to hunt is their own business, and there are good ones in all breeds.

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What a shame this has to happen to a thread about blueticks once again. It started with a question to bluetick men about their dogs so why would a walker guy who hates blue dogs enough to embarass himself by acting like a child even comment. The type of dog a person chooses to hunt is their own business, and there are good ones in all breeds.

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I don't claim to have the best but i have a blue dog that has more than her share of winning in ukc and akc. Not just backyard hunts either. Hunts such as the winter classic the grand american and getting in at the akc world. She won the akc state race last year and the national breed race. I just started hunting her in pkc this year. She has been in 7 pkc cast this year and won 5 of them. This was being by herself with coons. The 2 casts she got beat on the other dogs made circle trees and she just never got treed which is fine with me. The last hunt I put her in there was 26 dogs, 2 blueticks and 24 walkers. 1 bluetick won out of the two which makes them 50% for the night. Out of 24 walkers there were only 3 winners which makes them 12.5% for the night.

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Never hunted with her but Hemi seems to be a consistant cast winning bluetick. Anybody ever hunted with her?

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Last year Tide won the PKC 2008 Youth World hunt. I believe it was in the south Alabama or Georgia. Big mouth, go deep, get treed under a coon.
He is a Bluetick trained as a pup in Ohio. He is out of old Blood, the Blueticks do have what it takes.
I am sure you can find one you like.

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Yes i agree with some of what you said perry, although im just stating what i my-self have seen. You would think that out of the hundreds of hunts ive been to i would at least be able to count 5 good bluetics right? Well i honestly cant, im not prejudice against bluetics just dont understand why most people hunt them. Sure you can name a few that's done a decent amount of winning but i would hate to see how many replies we would get on walker dogs that have done alot of winning wouldn't you? In my experience out of the bluetics that i have hunted with and theres a bunch they were pack dogs. very few get treed by themselves and that's the way the breed is generally speaking. Again im NOT against the bluetic breed i just dont understand why people bother with most of them but i guess you buy the feed its youre business what you hunt.

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There's some top blue dogs scattered around that can win in competition on a regular basis.


If you want to win breed for this type hound. (any breed)

If everyone was hunting an honest strike dog my opionion would change.

In general, the hounds that are going to win most of the time are the ones that open on the first track they come to and that does include dog tracks. They don't look back, they don't come back to see what the others are doing, they don't shut up but don't open much until on a coon . They hunt fast with their head up and get treed within hearing with a coon. They get extremely hard hearing when treed and will take lots of fang pressure before giving room to stay treed. On an average they will split tree twice in a two hour hunt and score with the cast on all trees except when split. They should not be tree markers, when they locate there treed on one bark.

I know there's alot of hard hunters that will disagree with this and I'm one of them. You give a good handler one just like I described and see if there not in the winners circle.

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woodedwalker-ohiothunder same person,all he ever does is bash ukc or other breeds he has the only good dogs as he has hunted in hundreds of hunts and hasnt seen a good dog except walkers.trevor whats your dogs name so we can watch in the book that he is the next world champiuon.trevor if your trying to impress people i dont think that is happening.im just waiting for a mod to boot your butt for awhile with all the bashing yo do.i dont care what color they are as long as there a coondog.

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Fred, I think we should atleast appreciate the fact that he has moved on from getting screwed in every hunt he has ever been in and gone on to something more productive like telling us everthing we ever needed to know about hunting blue dogs.

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dang jim never thought of that good point my friend lol.it just gets old.

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I also would like to know what year that a BLUETICK has ever won a worldhunt . I know that it has never been don in UKC and i do not think it has been don in any KC. I would really like to see one win the world hunt .

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BRADLEY----A man once told me there are more HONEST blueticker than there is walker men --he said they take their minus and and don't circle slick trees --they go by the rules and not by someone's common sence so they never have big scores--

he might be right ---lol lol lol lol

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Spare Time Spanky won the AKC World and their has been other Blues win the ACHA world, But I don't think a Blue has ever won the UKC World . Someone correct me if I'm wroung.

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