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two toes i agree 100%

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it needs to be left the way it is.in my opinion it should not be changed.you can make a silver ch with circle or minus in pkc thats what sets ukc apart from the rest of them,when you make a ukc grnt ch you know you have acomplished somthing.we shure dont need to make it any easier,if they got it in them they will make it to grnt

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you shouldnt need buckets in michigan i think 50% of the trees have coon in them anyway.

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no need to water down the title......... folks complain about paper champions, think about it, it would be a easier to win a cast with a pencil than it is to win a hunt with one... JMO

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you can keep it from happening in your cast or file a complaint, you cant keep the other cast from hunting at a sit down restaurant (the product of not drawing out randomly), I think UKC would make more $$$ by changing the rule and save comp hunters $$$ that has a good dog.

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TELL ME KURT....BECAUSE I AM JUST DYING TO KNOW!!! WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FEEDER BUCKET FULL OF CORN AND A CORNFIELD FULL OF CORN?

U HUNT 20+ ACRE FEEDER BUCKETS WHERE THERE MIGHT BE 15 COON IN THAT ONE FIELD.

WHERE WE HUNT THERE MIGHT BE 15 COON IN ONE COUNTY. IF YOU TREE 2 COONS A NIGHT AROUND HERE YOU ARE DOING GOOD.

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TELL ME KURT....BECAUSE I AM JUST DYING TO KNOW!!! WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FEEDER BUCKET FULL OF CORN AND A CORNFIELD FULL OF CORN?

U HUNT 20+ ACRE FEEDER BUCKETS WHERE THERE MIGHT BE 15 COON IN THAT ONE FIELD.

WHERE WE HUNT THERE MIGHT BE 15 COON IN ONE COUNTY. IF YOU TREE 2 COONS A NIGHT AROUND HERE YOU ARE DOING GOOD.

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If a dog is coming in with cast wins with plus points continuously and getting beat certain things are happenning. Alot of times the dogs in that cast might have been the only viable dogs in the hunt that night and basically eliminated each other and resulted in a low score because of the competition in the cast. Should that dog be penalized because it had a hard draw? I have a GrNt in the kennel that had 12 cast wins between win #4 and #5. Some of the scores with good scores. (700 and beat by 725, 775 and beat by 825, 650 and beat by.....1200...yea, I wondered, too... There were a few over 500 and he got beat.) There should be SOME kind of justice for dogs like that..... I used to say the hunts were 50% dog and 50% luck. I've ran them long enough to know that it's more 60% luck. We're spending entry fees, gas, wear and tear on a vehicle, spending a lot of time and relying on a lot of luck for no return when a dog went out and did a good job just to get beat by 25 points.

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I agree Randy. Or maybe they could say 0- 20 entries, 1 winner, 21 to 40, 2 winners etc. something like that.

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you can keep it from happening in your cast or file a complaint, you cant keep the other cast from hunting at a sit down restaurant (the product of not drawing out randomly), I think UKC would make more $$$ by changing the rule and save comp hunters $$$ that has a good dog.

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Originally posted by Two toes
I GUESS WE COULD JUST GIVE THEM THE TITLE WHEN THEIR BORN TO ??

"IF" said competetion hunter is packing enough dog said dog will earn the title like their supose'ta. Cheap freebie kinda win's you can get else where if'n ya so desire.

We could or would hav'ta change the title to G.M.A.W./ watered down grand nite champion & utilize lower casing letter's to show that the dog didn't "EARN" the title the rite way but by the "Give Me A Win" program ?

Just another suggestion........................................

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BUT! , it can get disgusting , i know when you can get beat by dogs in other casts ,when you beat those other dogs every time you draw them in your own cast!!!. it would be too complicated but an accumulative point system of dogs you beat or were beat by would cut the difference....all ya can do is beat the dogs you draw and just KNOW WHAT YOU ARE HUNTING"THATS ALL THAT MATTERS!!!!".......and then find better hunting spots and do your best to keep the scum outta yer spots!!!!!!

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Originally posted by blueman1tick
i thought they did change it to something like that???? who knows i never see that many nite ch's anyway at the hunts i go to

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You guys like to make it personal.... The dog in question qualified 3 times for the World Hunt. Military committment kept me from going the first two. Third time missed the cut at zones by 3...they took 9. He was 12. He got out of the pocket on Friday nite while dogs were bumping junk... When you have 12 cast wins with plus points(granted one with with 25+ (Feb. hunt at 8 degrees above 0..) between win#4 and #5 something is wrong with the system. When he was 2-4 years old I would have stacked him against anything. How many people on here have talked about a dog not getting the recognition it deserved until it's too late. Everyone wants the almighty GRAND NITE on a hound before it gets bred. We're missing out on some of these dogs because they don't get bred until they are actually past their prime......because they didn't have THE LUCK that some of the other dogs had a little earlier in their life. I'm not saying to cheapen the title. There has to be a way with out doing that. To qualify the dog in question ask Lee Logan or Tony Daviduk....

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U.K.C. should have none hunting judges,around these parts when leaves are on you dont have a chance the judge will always see coon on last tree if your split treed and not on the tree with the judges dog your .... out of luck.or make it were you have to atleast see there eyes alot titled dogs out there that are finished out like that.and all they know are treeing but weres the coon.the bad part were do these dogs go when theres no leaves. {non-hunting judges would change alot of things around these parts} cant go back to master of hounds unless you want to waste another 25.00 got to pay to say what you think is right from wrong and 9 out 10 there going to take the judges side cause there club members hunt the big hunts if you want comp. and not a pencil fight.if this offends anyone you most be one of them.

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one hour hunt off between plus point cast winners and the best score gets the win to grand, more than 4 cast winners with plus points make two cast and give 2 ntch wins more than 8 give 3 etc.

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that would change things alittle but that want happen cause then it couldnt be payed off, unless more then one person had something to do with it.that would mess up the buddy plan at the small clubs.but something should be done keep from having pups getting sold for high dollar out of dog that really aint want the breeder is showing on paper,bench shows are just as bad i have been on bench sit dog up and the judge turns his head when he walks by and dont even look at your dog.

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It wasn't too long ago that 5 to eight Nt Ch cast would hit the brush to battle it out. If you scored 250+ and won your cast you may as well not even go back to the club house.

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Actually there is a big difference. Ones planted to make a living the other is considered BAIT. Just cause you turn loose in a corn field doesnt mean the coon are in there or they may be 50 acres away.

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Maybe add a hunt test in the mix = a dog that can tree coon by himself. I have seen a few nite champs that shouldnt be my opion of coarse.

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Maybe add a hunt test in the mix = a dog that can tree coon by himself. I have seen a few nite champs that shouldnt be my opion of coarse.

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I love the way AKC does it everyone hunts together. 5 for nitech 5 more for Grnitech and 5 more for Supreme Grnitech. Thats about as fair as it gets beat the dogs you draw!!!

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