Registered: Aug 2004
Location: texas
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man glad several told me i was mentioned in this post. lol i was takeing a typeing whoopin and didnt know nuttin about it. lmaoooooo

i will dang sure take you huntin if you show up. you gonna have to learn to hunt in 95 + degree and humid weather with no breeze or hot breeze blowing. we been in a drought for several years plenty of dust we find a water hole there should be a coon there. kinda like huntin corn buckets i guess you could say. lol check out the national drought deal we are where the worse of the conditions are. number one in US on the drought situation. if you come down when its cool i dont turn a hound loose much after the first weekend in november until after the first weekend in january of the new year.

Joe S i wont turn nare one my slick treeing dogs loose we will just go with yours. i hope your dog is hog broke.

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Registered: Jun 2003
Location: vt
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its pretty normal to not see any coon tracks for 3 months in the winter here- would be tough to tree a coon then-- deep snow-- lots of way below zero nites-- and days
id like to see those southern dogs operate in deep snow and below zero weather -


-- seasons closed jan 1 anyway -



i havent seriously coon hunted in years-- i start a few bear dog pups on them--- very rarely find one that will run-- pretty normal, they climb when they hear a dog bark - it doesnt take a great dog to tree a coon here in the the summer-- its normally cool and wet-
thers no ticks -- coonhunters paradise in the summer -if its above 70 for a low temp , im not running my dogs --thats almost never here- -lol
southern guys will get a laugh out of that -


our kill season starts mid october --corns been cut , , they are mostly denned up in early november- might not see a track until february - get about 3 good weeks normally of hide season ---

i dont know the where north and south line is- but if you go 5 miles north here , you better speak en francais

have to drive a few miles to find any coon out in december


so in decmber-- ,coon hunting is a lot easier in the south-- lol i drive about 30 miles to farm country--- where they dont den so early




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i dont have a lot of dog power but i know what a coon track looks like , lol


southern guys are right , our coon are fat and lazy--

if they arent , they dont survive the winter -

back in the hide hunting days-- was a lot of hunting pressure on coon, seemed to be more coon that would run-- more long races -





dont cry about tough coonhunting conditions-if its too easy ,its no fun-

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Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Talala, Oklahoma
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don't forget about out west Ka, Ok. & Texas where they are in a drought condition right now.

Up north, the trailing conditions are usually much better (except in winter) & the coon population is much greater than down south where it is hot & humid or out west where this time of year a dog will be trailing in very dry, dusty conditions.

Most dogs in these areas have been bred for those particular areas/conditions. You can take a dog from say Oklahoma back to Indiana & it will do things a little slower then the dogs that are used to those good conditions. Like wise, you take a dog from Ind. Ohio, or Mich. out to Ka. Ok. or Texas this time of year & they will look absolutly LOST.

Also IMO, most dogs out west were not bred for what some of you call COMPITITION DOGS,

For those of you that think you have a super dog, where ever you turn it loose, BETTER COME OUT FROM UNDER THAT ROCK. There might be a few but not many that will look good the first few nights in these different conditions.

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Good post.

I have found that dogs from thick coon country often struggle for a while when they go out west, and I know that my dogs have taken a little time to adjust when I have been able to hunt them in thick, thick coon.

Dogs out in our country tend to be a little more hard going and track drifting in order to make up ground on those big running prairie coons. They will sometimes run by a few when they first land in thick coon.

I know everybody else has the super dogs that automatically adjust no matter what, but mine usually aren't that way.

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Well fellas Heres my 2 cents worth on it... Here in Tennessee where I am it is all mountain country... About 45 min NE of here there is alot of flat country with corn fields, soybean and river bottoms... Now I have tried alot of those "good" flat country dogs here and it seems to me they get "lost and confused" awfully easy. I have even seen "good started dogs" that could track and tree down there that stood around like a 3month old pup here in the hills, even after weeks of hunting up here!! It does take most dogs time to get acclimated to the new situation but I have seen alot more rough country dogs go to the flat country and tree as many as everybody else than I have ever seen flat country dogs come up here and even tree at all... You North guys keep talkin about the cold and such, we dont get all of the snow here but my buddies and I hunt in the 4 degree wether with a windchill of neg 10.... And as far as heat goes we also hunt on those 90+ degree nights.... We dont have the best dogs in the world but we will hunt with anybody who wants to come show us up... And we are even honest enough to admit being shown up and we will be proud of it too.... Hunt What you want when you want and where you want your feeding it and paying for it vet bills.... as long as you like it thats all that matters.....

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A person up north cannot really call themselves a coonhunter, and they cannot call there hounds coonhounds, a french poodle can run and tree in them woods yall got up there you might as well hunt in city parks. Ive seen many northern "powerhouses" come dow here and get embarrased by my ole cull tied out behind the barn because they could not endure what these southern woods have to offer

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JEHULAYEN me and you must live in the same type county were i live here is all mountains and cliffs and it gets cold here northen dogs can not ajust to these cliffs very well if at all . a lot of places up north you do not need a dog to tree coons .

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Location: Minnesota
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A person up north cannot really call themselves a coonhunter, and they cannot call there hounds coonhounds, a french poodle can run and tree in them woods yall got up there you might as well hunt in city parks. Ive seen many northern "powerhouses" come dow here and get embarrased by my ole cull tied out behind the barn because they could not endure what these southern woods have to offer

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JEHULAYEN me and you must live in the same type county were i live here is all mountains and cliffs and it gets cold here northen dogs can not ajust to these cliffs very well if at all . a lot of places up north you do not need a dog to tree coons .

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Location: Ontario, Canada
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I read the north vs south posts all the time and have always wanted to know, if a southern dog has to hunt out miles to get struck, how do you win a hunt when you need a tracker to find them? Maybe my woods are extra thick but come summer time if my dog gets out a couple miles there`s no way I can hear them and they`re loud dogs. I know a dog thats hunted in thick coons will look for the pop-up but a smart one will take the track they get and finish it. I also believe that most "coondogs" will adapt to the conditions, maybe not the first night but they will.

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A person up north cannot really call themselves a coonhunter, and they cannot call there hounds coonhounds, a french poodle can run and tree in them woods yall got up there you might as well hunt in city parks. Ive seen many northern "powerhouses" come dow here and get embarrased by my ole cull tied out behind the barn because they could not endure what these southern woods have to offer

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I have said it OVER AND OVER! LOAD YOUR WORLD BEATER AND COME TO CENTRAL FLORIDA! I'LL PROVIDE THE REST! THEN I WILL REPORT THE TRUTH AS IT HAPPENS. Those of you who think there isn't a difference are the idiots and a fool to boot! I can talk because I have hunted the country form Mi to Fl and Ny to Az and in the last 2 years. There are HUGH differences. So many that you would have to hunt here to see. It is easy for all you cyber hunters to get on here and talk chit! You are really dog naive or just full of IT! The invitation stands STOP TALKING AND RIDE ON DOWN!

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I have said it OVER AND OVER! LOAD YOUR WORLD BEATER AND COME TO CENTRAL FLORIDA! I'LL PROVIDE THE REST! THEN I WILL REPORT THE TRUTH AS IT HAPPENS. Those of you who think there isn't a difference are the idiots and a fool to boot! I can talk because I have hunted the country form Mi to Fl and Ny to Az and in the last 2 years. There are HUGH differences. So many that you would have to hunt here to see. It is easy for all you cyber hunters to get on here and talk chit! You are really dog naive or just full of IT! The invitation stands STOP TALKING AND RIDE ON DOWN!

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Been there done that. I wasnt all that impressed with the hunting down there. You starting to sound like one of those "crackers" Clay!!! HAHAHAHA

I heard about all that crap when I was down there, Ive seen dogs do what those dogs down there did up here in Michigan. I dont have to come down there and swim with the gators to see that again! lol

There are some nasty rough spots down there and it does take a different style of dog to tree a coon down there, but I dont understand all the bad mouthing of our nothern dogs by those guys that live down there. Especially when the guys talking that crap have never left the state of Florida to hunt!

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I guess all this fuss just means dogs from Missouri are the best as they can hunt in hot humid or freezing weather, dry or wet and thick or thin coon and they are right in the middle. LOL! Have a good hunt to night whever you are!

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Location: Eastern Kentucky
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hjames888 talk about rock climbing people come from all over the world to climb these cliff around here mosty up north .I go down the road and see them haging all over the side of these cliffs .been 8 or 10 kill by falling all ready this year .

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I heard about all that crap when I was down there, Ive seen dogs do what those dogs down there did up here in Michigan. I dont have to come down there and swim with the gators to see that again! lol

There are some nasty rough spots down there and it does take a different style of dog to tree a coon down there, but I dont understand all the bad mouthing of our nothern dogs by those guys that live down there. Especially when the guys talking that crap have never left the state of Florida to hunt!

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THE SOUTH SWAMP&HEAT

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I agree Clay it will take some time for most to adapt. But same goes for vice versa. Ive seen dogs from down there come up and look like complete fools. Its two different styles of hunting from Florida to Michigan.

There are dogs out there that can make the transition flawlessly and ones that just plain cant make it. I think the crap talking from the south is a bunch of bull! Its a two way challenge, Ive taken the one to hunt down there, where are the ones from down there? Come walk in these bean fields in the middle of august and you will be asking for you hills and swamps! hahaha

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Did you forget last year? I hunted the majority of the US including Michigan. Gunner won in 6 (SIX) different states. The first six months of this year saw Gunner and I from Fl to Pa, Il, and NC. If I had the money we would still come to your backyard and do it. You know that I am not afraid to hunt ANYWHERE! I was born a yankee and hunted those areas for many years. I am intelligent enough to make informed answers to the differences.However there are a number of talkers here who are afraid to come up there and hunt JUST LIKE THE TALKERS ON HERE who are afraid to come down here. You know that I am hospitable and welcome people to my home. I just get tired of the talkers.

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Did you forget last year? I hunted the majority of the US including Michigan. Gunner won in 6 (SIX) different states. The first six months of this year saw Gunner and I from Fl to Pa, Il, and NC. If I had the money we would still come to your backyard and do it. You know that I am not afraid to hunt ANYWHERE! I was born a yankee and hunted those areas for many years. I am intelligent enough to make informed answers to the differences.However there are a number of talkers here who are afraid to come up there and hunt JUST LIKE THE TALKERS ON HERE who are afraid to come down here. You know that I am hospitable and welcome people to my home. I just get tired of the talkers.

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I dont think it makes all that much difference to a coondog. Might take a few days to get used to the climate and terrain but if hes for real hes gonna get treed. I think what makes the hunting seem so tough to you boys from down south is that extra 40 lbs. around the middle yaall seem to be carying with ya.

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Registered: Aug 2006
Location: Northwest Mississippi
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Coondogs are coondogs no matter where they are. If a dog grows up hunting one type of terrain and used to a certain coon population, it will take him time to adjust, and some will do it quicker than others. If it is a coondog, it will adjust in time. If you bring a dog that is used to hunting a cornfield with 60 coons sitting up around it, and hunt it where i hunt it might blow his mind the first time or two. We have to have a dog that will go as far as he needs to strike a coon. Not every drop, but a lot of times. That dog will adjust though if he is a coondog. Likewise, if i bring my dog to that cornfield with a coon in every tree, it would absolutely blow his mind the first time or two. He would have to adjust. Doesn't make one any worse than the other. I would have to say though(and this doesn't apply to everyone's hunting spots) that generally the type of terrain and tracks here in the south will give a southern dog a little bit of an advantage. But not every dog every time. JMO

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My dogs would be just as sorry up there as they are down here in N.GA. but I hope that I get the opportunity to hunt up there one day. Truth be known the dogs probably handle the cold better than me so I better make my chance in the summer.

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Registered: May 2009
Location: tennessee
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I dont know most of you folks but I figure most of you people are like I am when it comes to the sport... That being It dont matter where you are from, wheather it be deep south Louisiana swamps or in two foot of snow in northern Wisconson but I bet I could hunt with any one of you fellas and enjoy myself and feel welcome no matter where I am from or what I am used to hunting.... Like I said before I would hunt with any one of yall here or there and wouldnt mind being stipped by not a single one of yall.... As long as we enjoyed ourselves in the process.... I also figure yall all give your close friends who hunt other breeds or are from other regions a hard time and have some good ribbing fun with them.... I personally know my buddies and I have been back into coon hunting for about 3 years now and my new male dog has a certain liking for the occasional skunk, what makes it worse is hes the first dog in these 3 years that has even bothered a skunk, so needless to say I probably wont be living the skunk dog issue down for a while.... Anyhow I hope yall all enjoy your hunts this week no matter where your hunting at.... Good Hunting Boys....OH Yeah and Girls

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Registered: Jun 2003
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Its awful hard to beat someone in their back yard.

Those southern coon are different creatures then what we have.
They look like a cross between a jackrabbit and a grey fox. When you see one running, it runs more like a fox, and almost every track ive ever heard dogs on, sounded more like our dogs sound when they get after a grey fox up here.

Ive never been west to hunt, but im sure it would be a totaly different experience.

I really dont think it matters where you live, you have a dog that is best suited for those conditions and when you move them to a totaly different world it takes some time to adjust. Very few are top dogs anywhere and everywhere. Maybe in their owners eyes.lol

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Registered: Jul 2009
Location: harris
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I have hunted up north, and out west... and i live in the south.. i took my dogs up north.. treed coons... did VERY well in the summer time.. did better than my buddys.. they couldn't believe it.. they said come back in the winter.. so i came back in the winter.. not uh... did NOTHING.. my dog wasn't used to the snow.. same thing happend out west with the snow.. so my buddys came to hunt with me.. they did crap cause there dogs COUDLN'T track the coons and as the guy above me said our coons RUN down here.. they climb mountains and go through swamp lands.. and there dogs couldn't handle the swamps.. and it was way to dry for there dogs..the other night the dogs treed 3 MILES IN A SWAMP.. now.. idk about you but that is a TOUGH coon to me.. but its like alot of people have said.. if you leave the dog there for awhile.. it will get used to the area.. my buddy wanted to hunt at the winter classic.. KNOWING that his dog wouldn't do nothing and that its never seen a dilla he sent it down this way.. after the 3 weeks of brakin it off of dillers.. and gettin it used to the water and all that other stuff.. it started to come around.. and another 3 weeks of gettin it to actually have a coon.. we had something.. he did well.. i think he took 5th place.. i can't remember it was a few years back.. but ANYONE that has hunted over america and is HONEST knows that dogs have to adapt to the environment.. and heck.. not all dogs in the south can tree coons and the same for the north and west.. dogs are dogs people...

and far as the guy sayin northern boys can't call theresleves coon hunters.. you better think again.. they deal with conditions we don't deal with such and frost bite/ice cuttin there dogs up/ many many more.. and true we deal with stuff they don't.. but i don't see how one problem is better than the other? and to the northern boy that made the comment about us smokin dope.. you might won't to rethink that.. not all of us do that.

BUT THATS JUST ME I MAY KNOW OR MAY NOT KNOW THAT I DON'T KNOW..

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