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Maniac
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Re: Qustion for the Experts

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Originally posted by Frank M
Dog C is struck and treed on the way to the tree dog A comes into tree and is struck and treed dog B is never struck or treed. When we get to the tree dogs A and B are treeing dog C is no where around and takes minus for leaving tree, Dog A is on a circle tree the qustion is what happens to dog B? The MOH ended up scratching this dog for the handler not striking his dog.

What should have happened in this situation?

B WOULD BE SCRATCH FOR NOT STRIKEING HIS DOG HE FAILED TO STIKE HIS DOG ON ON TH3RD BARK TWICE. SO HE IS SCRATCH LOOK IN THE ADVISOR

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Where are you getting that he failed to strike by the 3rd twice? I only see where he made that mistake the first time.

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Where are you getting that he failed to strike by the 3rd twice? I only see where he made that mistake the first time.

JIM IF HE NEVER STRUCK HIS DOG ON THE FIRST THREE BARKS THATS THE FIRST WARNING AND SECOND ONE HE STILL NEVER STUCK HIS DOG HE SCRATCH ITS IN THE ADVISOR

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There are no warnings in UKC. No such thing.
You have to minus the dog under rule 4(j), then get 4 more without a strike. For instance if a dog has barked 12 times before being struck you can't scratch, you minus and then if the dog barks 4 more times without a strike, you scratch.

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quote:
Originally posted by JiM
There are no warnings in UKC. No such thing.
You have to minus the dog under rule 4(j), then get 4 more without a strike. For instance if a dog has barked 12 times before being struck you can't scratch, you minus and then if the dog barks 4 more times without a strike, you scratch.

JIM YOU ARE WRITE BUT HE HAD HIS MINUS WHEN THE DOG WAS NEVER STRUCK SO THEIR THE DOG IS SCRATCH FOR NOT BE CALLED STUCK. I THINK THIS IS IN THIS MONTHS ADVISOR

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Re: Qustion for the Experts

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Originally posted by Frank M
Dog C is struck and treed on the way to the tree dog A comes into tree and is struck and treed dog B is never struck or treed. When we get to the tree dogs A and B are treeing dog C is no where around and takes minus for leaving tree, Dog A is on a circle tree the qustion is what happens to dog B? The MOH ended up scratching this dog for the handler not striking his dog.

What should have happened in this situation?

Rule 4(j) says to award points and minus them on first offense for not declaring the dog struck on or before the third bark. The handler must then declare the dog struck. In this case dog B recieves deleted strike points (shut out) and no tree points.

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when he strikes and trees dog A, you are going to put 75 strike with a line under it, and 75 tree. so when you get to the tree how can you justify circling the stike points(which means he didnt tree with dog C for these points to be awarded and not a line through) and not moving him up to 125 tree(because if he wasnt on the same tree as dog C, which awarding the strike points means he wasnt, he deserves 125 for first tree).

i guess this could be a situation where the rules supercedes logic, but it just seems circling the stike but awarding only 75 tree points contradict each other.

thanks Allen, what are your thoughts on Dog A's stirke and tree points. thanks rance

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