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Find some Walkers that are bred to hunt close. They are getting hard to find but they are there. [/B]


I wish I knew where to find this type of hound, I dont care if its registered or not. I really want to have a good close hunting, good handeling Coon Treeing hound, that will check in, and not run junk.
Also will not go deep with other hounds.

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I love the looks of your Half Hound, Half Cur.
She looks like a good one.

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i had a cur x walker cross that looked like a stubbed tailed plott. bawl on track steady chop on tree. was treeing his own coon at 10 mths.

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Did the Cur Walker Cross Hunt Close?
Thats what Im looking for.
I love the way a Walker works a track and trees, but just cant stand the long range.

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The man that got me into coonhunting was blueticks only in the 60's and 70's. Then 15 20 years later he would only hunt mountain cur walker crosses. Hounds would only live 10 yrs but the cur dogs would live 18 or better. He did like them because they would generaly hunt closer. He sold me one because he would go deep silent which cur dogs like to do. They do seem to be aggressive. I'll stay with a lazy old blue dog.

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Re: Zip 7

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I love the looks of your Half Hound, Half Cur.
She looks like a good one.



Richard, I am not a breeder, but I was looking to buy a Walker/Cur cross pup just to try. I am very satisfied with her, but the dam (cur) is just an average kemmer cur female. Hunts, but not a world beater from what I hear. The Walker sire is a very good dog, out of Nailor I believe

If I do it again I am going to pay attention to the cur side more. There are a few cur dogs around that can compete with hounds on coon, but very few. I've hunted with only one female cur who could. Most curs will make adequate squirrel dogs, but few of them will tree coon with a good hound, my guess - they lack tracking ability, or they are just not track minded. My best idea is find somebody who has a male cur that is a real deal coon dog and breed a good female Walker to it. Or you can go through a lot of curs looking for a dam of your own.

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Re: Richard

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You might want to look at some of the black & tan breed. They're easy to find. They're the ones with extra 4 to 5 toes on their hind legs. But of course everybody that breeds them won't tell you that they have cur in them. I guess they want you to believe god made them that way.
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My Walker is heavy Lipper bred and has many highly promoted dogs in his pedigree. Papers are honest as far as i know for sure back to granparents simple because i know the sire and dame. He has large rear dew claws. Rumor i also heard from the older hunters is Lipper had a little cur in him, but we all know how rumors go. BTW, i hunt Mtn. Curs and hounds and they make pure breds in both to suit. You just need to know what you want and look hard to find it. BUT most curs do not have the mouth of a hound but many have the nose and some even better. It often depends on the strain. Hope this helps, Trott.

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these crosses can be registered thru the national treeing cur
association with the NKC.

As the name implies, they are called Treeing Curs.

I hunted hounds for a long time before I got myself a kemmer stock mtn cur. After this dawg started, I got rid of all my hounds but one ole english that I used to start the kemmer with. This was in 1992. There are kemmers out there with noses as cold as any hound....but to me, their greatest assets are their winding ability and their handling. That ole english dawg of mine was the only hound I ever had that come close to handling like the kemmers. Somebody stole that ole dawg off a tree here at the house while I was at work. He was so old that his teeth were gone and I just let him run loose on the farm. But he got to where he was treeing squirrels and I figure someone got him one morning while he was doing that.

I do miss that ole hound....but I love these kemmers...

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Sounds like a good idea to me! Trying to find a good "Pure Cur" will often lead to an empty game bag and wallet! I think a couple of years ago a walker/cur named Jungle Jane won the PKC state night hunt in your state and there are plenty of others winning competition hunts all over the country. I believe PKC will register them as a crossbreed and UKC, NKC and others will register them as Treeing Curs. I know you said you are just doing it for your own use but you may change your mind if it all works out!!

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Burdett

Did the Cur Walker Cross Hunt Close?
Thats what Im looking for.
I love the way a Walker works a track and trees, but just cant stand the long range.



med hunter by himself but would go as deep as the other dogs with company. he was a very smart dog.

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I have had Grand Nite Champion English Coon Hounds and Grand Squirrel Champion Mt Curs. I would NEVER consider cross breeding them. Each has their own traits and should be kept seperate. As for all hounds hunting deep, not so. There are strains bred to hunt close. As for Curs hunting close, not so, there are strains that hunt deep.

Find some Walkers that are bred to hunt close. They are getting hard to find but they are there.



Fully AGREE!!!!

I have a little 30 lb. OMCB you don't turn out for short hunts. When he gets cut loose, you better be ready to go cause he's going to go until he gets treed. I hunt with a friend who keeps an Amazing Cur female out of Shamrock. She has a lot of hound in her (Nailor I think) and she hunts much closer alone than my Walcur. The point being.....each line, and even each dog has their unique traits. There will always be exceptions.

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Re: Hound/Cur cross.

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He is the dog on the tree. His mother is the brindle cur off the tree. His sire is Tn Hardrock so that makes him B&T/Walker/Cur cross. He is fun to hunt on coon and squirrel. Handles like a dream,,,,hunts out the woods you cast him in.




That is a really sharp dog!!!!!

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Thanx Coach

He is a fun dog to hunt. Action packed. I will get a close up picture on here in a day or so. He looks like a B&T in these pictures but he is Black and Brindle.

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Re: Thanx Coach

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He is a fun dog to hunt. Action packed. I will get a close up picture on here in a day or so. He looks like a B&T in these pictures but he is Black and Brindle.



I sent you a pm. If you get a chance give me a call at 256-577-7105. My sister lives in Baldwyn and I am only about 90 minutes away. I would love to see him go sometime. Thanks...sonny

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A good hound with a good nose and a brain should not have to go into the next county to find a coon to tree. Too many competition bred hounds are bred to straight line hunt until they find a hot track they can handle. My English hounds hunt but all handle very well and none of my current dogs have to go into the next county to tree a coon. They have good noses and the brains to use them.

You get some Streak bred Curs and they will hunt as deep as any hound. I have had to use a shocking collar to get my Curs to hunt closer. My Grand Squirrel Champion Scout Mt Cur would go deep to find a squirrel or coon. So would his mother, Squirrel Champion Lucy.

I like for my hounds to look, act, and sound like hounds and I like my Curs to look, act, and sound like Curs. I wouldn't cross any of my Champion beagles with my hounds or Curs, I won't cross my Curs to my hounds..

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Sounds like a good idea to me! Trying to find a good "Pure Cur" will often lead to an empty game bag and wallet! I think a couple of years ago a walker/cur named Jungle Jane won the PKC state night hunt in your state and there are plenty of others winning competition hunts all over the country. I believe PKC will register them as a crossbreed and UKC, NKC and others will register them as Treeing Curs. I know you said you are just doing it for your own use but you may change your mind if it all works out!!

Tim




I agree with you TLundell. cross a good cur and a good hound and you will never go wrong!!!!!!

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Richard, back in the late sixties I hunted a Mt Cur, Walker cross and was one good coon dog..He was a 50lb dog that looked like a walker with short ears..He was very fast track dog with a fair mouth but what a treeing machine with no pull...Handled the best and was a great puppy trainer..In the years I owned this dog I never had to look for him, he hunted with you not out of the country...

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Re: Re: Zip 7

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Richard, I am not a breeder, but I was looking to buy a Walker/Cur cross pup just to try. I am very satisfied with her, but the dam (cur) is just an average kemmer cur female. Hunts, but not a world beater from what I hear. The Walker sire is a very good dog, out of Nailor I believe

If I do it again I am going to pay attention to the cur side more. There are a few cur dogs around that can compete with hounds on coon, but very few. I've hunted with only one female cur who could. Most curs will make adequate squirrel dogs, but few of them will tree coon with a good hound, my guess - they lack tracking ability, or they are just not track minded. My best idea is find somebody who has a male cur that is a real deal coon dog and breed a good female Walker to it. Or you can go through a lot of curs looking for a dam of your own.



I have a Cur Female, out of my OLe Rex dog, she is the one I was gonna use as a Dam, She is a little fireball, smart, and can tree Squirrels. But like you say, she just dosnt have much nose for trailing. I like the way she hunts though she handles like a dream, and you usually dont need a leash to leave, you just call her, and she will hunt just ahead of you back to the truck or If you tell her NO she will walk at your side. I want a dog like her, but with the ability to drive a track. Nose brains, and speed.
I love a dog that can drive a track, and tree accurately.

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I agree 100%. Curs are the meat dog deluxe. Hounds are coon dogs and that is the way it should be.

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This gyp is half walker half cur. She is about 18-19 months old now.

I started her at about 10 months hunting with an older cur I had, and after she go the hang of it, she was a much better coon dog than the older cur.

I hunted her on squirrel too, and she will tree them, but since she got going on coon pretty well I only coon hunt her.

When she started, I didn't think she would make much of a dog. She did really well last september, but then went in her first heat during october, and when she came out of it, she was completely retarded for about three weeks. Toward the end of that, I hunted her with a couple of good hounds one night, and she went along with them, but didn't do much but watch. I tied her back and wouldn't let her have any of the coon.

From that night on, she has been lights out - great dog. Before that she was looking for a tree with a coon in it, and since then she looks for a track to run. In thick coon, she has smoked every cur dog I have hunted her with and she treed over 50 coon on her own in December / January.

Now, she does hunt close on her own, but she doesn't handle like a cur. When she has a nose full of something, she won't come back. When she trees, there ain't no calling her off the tree, I have to leash her and drag her away. She doesn't leave the country, but if she hits a hot track, she will go wherever it goes. I have only had her lose a hot track twice, both times on water.

She doesn't do well with cold tracks. Hot tracks she runs wide open like a hound would run a deer. Really fast. But no grubbing up cold tracks and working them out. She is open on track, but in thick coon and short easy tracks she is quiet. She doesn't have a big mouth, and she is chop/squall mouth on track, but she does bawl locate and chop tree.

She roads really well in front of the truck. She really is pretty much half like a hound and half like a cur. She has the bad traits of both as well though... hotter nosed than a hound and more hard headed than a cur. She is a tree minded dog who had to learn to track. I think this coming season will tell the tale on her, but I think she is going to be fine. Everyone who has hunted with her has been pretty impressed.

I have an English pup to start this season who is going to be the opposite - track minded and we need to work on her treeing. I think they will make a good pair.






What you have described matches my experience with the cur/walker cross to a tee. They are somewhere in between. I need to leash her when I am toting a coon or two out even. That is aggravating to me. I had a full walker one time I could say load and follow him back to the truck if I was turned around. Alsso , when I am loading up at the pen to go she liable to miss the box and just be gone coon hunting by herself right here. Whenever i get back home she liable to be treeing somewhere around here though and probably where i don't want her to be. PLus I am tired and ready for bed. and I did not hear the race is what gets to me most. If I just wanted to tree coons I would just get me a silent dog. I never did get exactly what i wanted which would be a dog that kicks dirt in my face when turned loose and boogies a quarter mile loop and the skids back up in the dogbox if no coon has been walking.

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