Shelby D. Sawyers
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Location: Enid,Oklahoma.
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Re: Mr Sawyers and Mr Duemmer
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Originally posted by Jeff H.
I knew this one was going to get to this point but I was surprised by it taking as long as it did.I have been chastized before on this subject but I'll try to explain.
Your responses to this subject have been tilted in a selfish way towards your way of hunting.
I can assure you that if you came to my back yard and hunted you would find your dogs treed in the ground on at least one occasion a night. In my area we hunt hills and hollers that are limestone in nature and the ground is full of cracks and crevises and holes and I believe that the commonwealth of Ky is home to the largest cave system in the North American continient, and maybe in the world.
I can take you to areas right near my home where the coons are very much more subject to den in the grond then in a hollow tree. These ground dens might only appear to be as large as a ground hog hole ,or they could be a large sink hole that is filled and covered with dozer piles out in the middle of a field. These holes lead to underground caverns and cracks and crevises that coons can get back into that a dog or a human cannot reach. In my thirty years of hunting I have only ever seen one or two holes of this nature that a dog or man was able to get a grip on a coon.
Pleasure hunters,and hide hunters , for as long as I've hunted, have always broke there dogs from treeing in the ground because of the steep hills that we might encounter or the brush pile that we might have to try to dig a dog out of while never producing a coon . Or the possibility of loosing a dog to the caves below.
When you turn your dogs down Ten Mile Hollow down in the lower end of the county and they drop all the way to the bottom of it and go a mile or two and end up treed ,when I drop down in there going to them, knowing what it going to be like climbing back out ,there better be a coon up a tree when I get there.
Most of these hounds are easy to teach that a track that ends in the ground will never produce any reward and should be considered over ,while finishing tracks at the tree are very much the prefered way for a track to end up and they will stay till the cows come home in an effort to please the handler with a coon produced up a tree.
The female I lost last winter was a top notch natural born tree dog and would take all the pressure you could put on her (except for extreme fang pressure) and was a solid tree dog wether she was right or occasionally wrong yet when she finished (and yes I said finished ) a track in the ground she would give a short locate usually followed by one or two quick hard chops. and then would move on . She WOULD NOT stay and tree in the ground and thats the way I wanted her to work. I could tell you immediatly that the track had ended in the ground. She was a pretty fair track dog in her own right also. She wouldn't come back or go to the truck . She would go find one up a tree and tree it and stay until I got there.
The young dog my son and I have now will not stay in the ground either but he doesn't have that ground locate like the old female did so it sometimes leaves me wondering but as he becomes a better track dog I have more confidence in him that he is actually finishing those tracks that go in the ground .
Neither of these dogs was "beat unneccessarily or shocked excessively " to have them perform like this . They just learn the difference between what happens to tracks that end up in the ground as compared to tracks that end up in a tree.
Don't underestimate the intelligence of these hounds and don't judge everyone across the country's hunting types by your own hunting styles, and terrains, and types of hunting .
If I wanted to ground hunt I would own some terriers.
Jeff;
I understand your hunting terrain.. I all so understand you say a dog can be broke from treeing in holes.. But I personally don't under stand that you want the coon caught but, only on your conditions, Where you don't have too walk to far, or wait till your dog comes out of the hole. My dog treed in a creek bank last Wed. night, the GPS would'nt pick him up for 45-minutes.. I found my dog after walking 1-mile and sliding down a 30-cliff.. And trying to get back up the cliff {That was fun} But the dog did his job I feel like..There was nothing fun about loosing my dog or finding him, or getting to him...
I will'nt nor am I running down a persons wants or needs of their dogs style of hunting, or what they want out of their dog.. I just can't understand the mixed signals that a handler wants a dog to perform.. But if you have your dog doing what you say, It sounds like a nice pleaserable hunt !! Thanks for the response.. Happy hunting...
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