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Here in southern Ontario the coyote population is huge and it is constantly a problem when I run the coon hounds. See them and hear them chatter at the dogs all year round. But the months of august & september seems to be when they attck the dogs the most. Had several dogs cut up and a couple bad ones where the male dogs testicles were torn off or damaged. This seems to be where they always go for
same deal here in kentucky!!!!!

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Coyotes love and hate

We have a load of them around the house. You hear them as soon as the first dog bark. I was down below my house alone one nite hunting my male by hisself he was treed deep. There were yotes all around me and him (50 yards) from us I'd say and all I had was stinking CB's. Never the less it was a long walk in and a long walk out looking over my shoulder. I also carry a couple long rifles now!!! Yotes also helped me finish one of my dogs in a hunt. They don't bother my dog anymore he just hunts but the other guys dogs came right back and sit beside there handlers as soon as they started howling!!!

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Yote killer

My Plott male got in a fight with one when he was 7 months old and sent him off bloddy, has hated them ever since. Then, last spring (he was 2 yrs old) was out running him with my young female. Heard a fight break out. She ran back to me. I ran into the brush in time to see Sam, my male chase two yotes off over a hill. I called him back and while he was coming back I realized there was a half dead coyote lating about 20 yds from me. He had already tore one up and chased 2 off in about 2 minutes. I finished the one off with a club and when he got back to me he just had a couple little cuts on his muzzle.

Trouble with yotes? Run a Plott!!

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Man that Plott sounds like one bad boy!! I hate they get after the dogs but that is part of it now here. A fella here in Va also had a camara watching a feeder and had 2 yotes stretching a coon. They are some smart animals. Good luck to everyone and hope the problems get better.

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he first time i have to disagree w ith you much research has been done s inse the advent of dna it's not a viable cross. here in new york the only thing the dna has shown is most of the yotes carry red wolf blood. also they have artificialy tried dog yote crosses and never had any sucess with either the yote or dog concieving they said the genes don't match making the cross possible the term coy-dog is a fallicy research it it's very interesting yotes have been taken here from blond/reds to pure blacks and even ones with white markings but all show there yote/red wolf crosses and more carry red wolfblood than pure yote blood we have some very large yotes in this part of the country due to the hybred crossing between red wolf/coyyotes

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Dogs and coyotes cross on a pretty regular basis. There are some areas where you would have trouble finding a coyote that doesn't have a little dog in them. Farm dogs cross with them more than a lot of people realize.

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I agreee with Clint we have "Coydogs" all over the place here. Howl and yip like a yote but also bark like a dog. Look like a cross. Some packs have a few stray mutt dogs running with them.

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I think Forest on here's dog Hank had one down for the count one night???

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he first time i have to disagree w ith you much research has been done s inse the advent of dna it's not a viable cross. here in new york the only thing the dna has shown is most of the yotes carry red wolf blood. also they have artificialy tried dog yote crosses and never had any sucess with either the yote or dog concieving they said the genes don't match making the cross possible the term coy-dog is a fallicy research it it's very interesting yotes have been taken here from blond/reds to pure blacks and even ones with white markings but all show there yote/red wolf crosses and more carry red wolfblood than pure yote blood we have some very large yotes in this part of the country due to the hybred crossing between red wolf/coyyotes


Wayne, where are those NY coyotes getting into those red wolves to cross with them?I thought the only wild populations of red wolves left were in Louisiana and eastern North Carolina.

I do know that the coyotes do cross with the reds because they cancelled the red wolf reintroduction here in western North Carolina and east Tennessee (Great Smokies) because the genes were getting contaminated by coyote cross-breeding.

Be grateful that those suckers aren't re-introduced widely. You think a coyote pack could give a hound a bad time. I've seen them in some wildlife parks/ zoos etc and they are a lot more impressive than Mr. Wile E. Coyote.

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We had a pack come in on my male dog last October. I was with another guy getting his dog and my Dad was driving trying to find my dog. Dad drove around and found my dog running a track but Dad said that just as soon as he hit a tree the coyotes started yipping and went straight to my dog on the tree. Dad said they fought for a little while and then it got quiet. Dad found me on the road and told me what had happened and said John I'm sure they killed your dog. Long story short, my dog ended up coming back to where we turned him loose and he didn't have a mark on him.

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haven't heard of a red wolf in ny for over 30 years however our dec has radomly dna tested harvested yotes and most show red wolf in the dna our yotes are quite a bit bigger than western yotes.
if these guys that are saying the yotes cross with domestic dogs there wrong they can't even cross with a gray wolf. i was quite enlightened by this when i read it have heard the term coydogs for years only to find it's not possible the onlt thing that can cross with the yote is the red wolf. if you think about it mutts among the dog world eventuallyy start looking like the wolf.
do your research you will be amazed at what is what sinse the advent of dna

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breeding...

people have been breeding yotes X dogs and Wolves X dogs for years... they are genetically different from either parent- they are not dog nor yote/wolf. There are all sorts of articles about genetic studies on all the canids. The concensus is that the BIG yotes seen out in nature are actually yote crossed with wolf and if I recall the DNA shows that. The yote X dog cross that I had was bred in captivity... So the studies say that coydogs are RARE in the WILD but that dogs can breed with yotes. Their breeding schedules are WAY off so it can only happen at a specific time.
If you read this article from the NH Wildlife people you can see that they talk about some of this...

http://www.wildlife.state.nh.us/Wil...tern_coyote.htm

and New York...

http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/9359.html

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Dogs and coyotes can and do breed together. I don't know who's telling you otherwise but it does happen. May not happen as much in YOUR area or the yotes that are being checked are not coydogs but it does happen. To say that the yote ONLY crosses with red wolves is incorrect.

Same as wolves breeding with dogs. It happens more then people think.

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Dogs and coyotes can and do breed together. I don't know who's telling you otherwise but it does happen. May not happen as much in YOUR area or the yotes that are being checked are not coydogs but it does happen. To say that the yote ONLY crosses with red wolves is incorrect.

Same as wolves breeding with dogs. It happens more then people think.



Yeah, I think it happened a good bit in areas of the southeast where we had packs of feral dogs running around....especially when the coyotes were first moving into the areas and didn't have many choices as to a mate.

I remember some of the ones we shot and killed deer hunting down in South Carolina in the early '90s. If they didn't have some ol stray feral german shepherd looking dog bred into them I'd eat my Danner boots lol.They (coyotes) do breed with the red wolves too. That is one of the big reasons why they pulled them (red wolves) from the re-introduction attempt in the Smokies. They got to having more coyote genes than wolf genes LOL....

I have read some stuff today in different places that backs up what wayne is saying too. The critters in New England evidently bred quite a bit with southern Canadian wolves on the way east and recent studies have cast doubt on whether those eastern Canadian wolves are gray wolves or a bigger, "northernized" version of the red wolves that once covered the Southeast...and that is where they are seeing these "red wolf" genes in coyotes way up there so far away from the southern red wolf sites in Texas/Louisiana & North Carolina.

It seems the "eastern coyote" in the Northeast and the "eastern coyote" in the Southeast have very different stories.

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I hunt alot of state land and had coyotes come fight the dogs right at the tree. At my house i have them come up to my dog's right behind my house, all my dogs are in kennels i have seen them right next to kennels.my kennels are maybe 30 yards from house,some friends of mine last yr killed 2 behind my house one was all black and weighed 54lbs.

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it 3 times that the dogs where ate by the yots while they where being shoot over by 22 while walking in they never payed aney mind to the gun till one was shoot.i keep a lite on mine now that flash lite


Will someone please translate this for me?

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Will someone please translate this for me?
I think it says umm, uh,well..........................................................................................................................................................................................................can somone translate this for us! lol

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We run yotes every day all winter long and we are killing them over 70 lbs and the one guy that runs with us runs Bluetick beagles and they tear right into them yotes. I run Blueticks and they jump right into them when they catch them. When I am coon hunting at night they will come into the dogs on tree, just give one yell and they head out. They are like a barn yard rooster, when confronted they run. You guys having yote issues need to put some hounds on them and teach them a lesson in your area.

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yots and dogs cross all the time dnr here call them coydogs.i have killed several that weight over 60 pounds and no pure yot gets that big.yes i have picters and maney hides taned to show

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richard n. and marvgru

if you cant read that you 2 must be stupied @ss

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if you cant read that you 2 must be stupied @ss


Hey Marvgru, he saas we dont read good. LOL
Guess Iza Stupids Azz. Sorry Pal, Its just hard to understand your writting, Just messin with you a little. I kind of like the character in your writting, Its Old Timey.

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Had a big Hoss bred black & tan years ago that coyotes thought they would tangle with, once ole' "Willie" decided he'd had enough it was game on!!! He was never pushed out of the woods just because some coyotes put the pressure to him, he seemed to enjoy playing with them, lol. wd

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This is what the dogs are supposed to do to those yotes.









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certain time of the year yotes are bad to break a dog off a track or break them off a tree. dogs that have been chewed on by yotes learn when they get to howling the dog will come back to you. the yotes will run a dog back to you and be 30 foot out lookin at you. usually when the yotes have pups they seem to be the worse.

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last night broke into the edge of a field and saw about 8-10 sets of eyes staring at me about 200 yds out. thought they were deer. then my male went after them (he's broke off deer, but hates yotes and likes fighting them) turned the bright light on and saw that they were yotes headed for the woods. Shocked the dog off of them and made him come back to me. He's killed plenty, but that was too many even for him!!

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