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In all the dogs pedigrees Ive heard about,or seen,never have noticed any from him other than Jr.
He had 300 some odd pups,a small handful were titled,but even with the enormous popularity of Jr.
I would think even if anyone had a littermate to Jr. they would be quick to jump to brag.

I can see how Jr.is so popular,but not without hearing of any other pups from his sire,or his littermates. [/B]

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Kinda makes you wonder what the impact of Skean's Dolly really played in the reproductive ability.....

I hunted with one off "old Sackett" and he was about as common as they come.

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I do believe Oak Ridge just asked the million dollar question!!!

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I owned a male out of the last or next to the last litter he ever sired. nearly solid white with a big, big red .head very big dog also was a natural track dog. he made nite ch. and got killed by a car. sure would like to have one just like him

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Just because you don't hear about a stud dogs sons and daughters doesn't mean they didn't reproduce. More than likely most of Sackett's pups didn't fall into comp hunters hands.

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I'm not throwing stones at old Sackett.... I never hunted with him, and as I said, I only hunted with one dog directly out of him....and he was just a common coon hound...nothing special about him. I know that he was bred repeatedly, and could not reproduce his own likeness.

But we so often get focused on the stud, and we some times forget about the Dam's contribution to reproductive ability.

My point is simply this....if Sackett had 300 pups, and one of them went on to be a super reproducer, it's likely that the Dam was as much, if not more, responsible for the reproductive abilities as the sire....

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Thought yah knew better Newlin!!!!

Never question the reproductive abilities of anything with "Sackett" in the name. You will surely ruffle feathers.

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Tell Sackett is one of the billion pups of Sackett Jr.
Same with Cord.Both were nice looking hounds.

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Joe,

Actually, I thought he marked his pups as much as most studs. Most dogs out of him were mostly white and fairly large dogs. They were also known to be good track dogs.

I have always wondered about Jay because ole Sackett was from a fairly linebreed cross. It is not unusual to get a top performer from an outcross on a linebred line. What is very unusual is that the performer would be a good reproducer.

Frank has said that Jay was a freak of nature. Considering his sisters and what they produced and what is known about genetics Jay did sort of go against the most common held theories.

The more I look at Jay, ole Sackett, Dolly, and their offspring from a historical perspective I would have to concur with Frank that he was probably a freak of nature.

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Jim,

Ahhh come on Jim, Sackett Jr. fans aren't any worse than a couple of other well known walker studs' fans.

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behind every GOOD REPRODUCING stud dog is a GOOD REPRODUCING mama!! and i was in the stud dog buisness but you won't find to many stud owners that will say this.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Oak Ridge
[B]I'm not throwing stones at old Sackett.... I never hunted with him,
But we so often get focused on the stud, and we some times forget about the Dam's contribution to reproductive ability.


Oak Ridge

I guess I took ya the wrong way. You're right many times we forget about the female. I'm sure Dolly contributed great things to Jr. I know she had another offspring that was run at stud for a time. Don't think he put up the numbers that Jr. did but I guess he was a real nice hound. Maybe the dam of that one Sackett dog you hunted with was largely responsible for him being so common I don't know. I know the likeness of Old Sackett shows in the pups I been raising as they are close bred Old Sackett with no Jr. in them. They have his looks, similar mouth, same tree style and all. I have a year old male dog that looks a lot like him, acts like he did as a pup and has a similar mouth. I know this because I raised the old dog and sold him to Frank.

hickish

Old Sackett’s name as a pup was Lumberjack, he was one of the toughest pups I ever started, could stand hard night after night hunting at a young age.

Good luck with your dogs.

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behind every GOOD REPRODUCING stud dog is a GOOD REPRODUCING mama!! and i was in the stud dog buisness but you won't find to many stud owners that will say this.

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I agree that the female plays a big role in how the pups turn out but in the case of a very few stud dogs such as Sackett Jr., Lipper, Johnson’s Banjo and Finley River Chief just to name a few I don’t know if this holds true. I say this because I can only imagine how many sorry females must have been bred to them yet they continued to reproduce nice hounds even from average or below average females. I think in some cases though not very often the male can dominate most any female they’re bred to. JMO

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i am not talking about what the stud is bred to. i'm talking about every stud that "reproduces good pups", look at "his" mama and i bet you she was a good dog!

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For sure with Finley River Chief.





BIXLER'S SUPREME SALLY





HERE IS A SPECIAL PICTURE WHERE HISTORY IS BEING MADE. NEITHER DOG IS SHOWING VERY WELL IN THIS PICTURE BUT THERE IS A REASON. THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN WHEN BIXLER'S SUPREME SALLY WAS PAYING A VISIT TO SHETLER'S SONNY BOY. THIS IS THE MATING THAT PRODUCED FINLEY RIVER CHIEF.




1955 ACHA WORLD CHAMPION FEMALE
BIXLER'S SUPREME SALLY





Even though she is best known as the mother of Finley River Chief, Bixler's Supreme Sally was a great coonhound in her own right. She could and did compete with the big boys.

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mr weller and he knows that line of dogs better than aney one does.THEY MAKE COON DOGS THAT CAN RUN A TRACK AND HAVE THE MEAT ON THE END

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Gramps talked of Sally many times,along with House' Queen Lou.
Heck he talked ALOT,period.
He was a walker man,through and through.
Pics of the old dogs remind me of him,since the dogs were before my time.
He is missed.

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i had a female out of old sackett she was nice REEDS SADIE

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That is my point of this thread.
More so bringing the "unknown" kids into recognition.
No disrespect to Mr.Giddings,or Jr.both are/were huge contributions to the breed,and the sport.
But the old man,along with his other kiddo's deserve some sort of recognition,in my book.

Mr.Weller,and HistoryNutt,my hat's off to you both.

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i am not talking about what the stud is bred to. i'm talking about every stud that "reproduces good pups", look at "his" mama and i bet you she was a good dog!

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Kevin that's right.My mistake.

Travis,I havent seen that southern sound blood in years.
I remember Kodak,and a couple more.
There was a dog called Cyanide years ago,was he from that line too?

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THERE IS A OLD SACKETT MALE IN MISSOURI. MAC BATES HAD THE DOG AND SOLD HIM 3 OR 4 YEARS AGO. AS FAR AS I KNOW THE DOG IS STILL ALIVE HE WAS SOLD TO HIDE HUNTER MAC KNOWS THE MAN. I DON'T HAVE MAC NUMBER ANY MORE.

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out of tell sackett please some one breed a good bitch to him.WHO BOUGHT PUPS OUT OF TELL LAST LITTER.i got a femal pup out of that liter off frank but it died soon as i got it home same day parvo

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