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Jeff, after a lifetime of coonhunting, you think I need a hunt test to show me how hard it is to "keep a single dog straight for an hour"???? Do you honestly think a one hour test could show me anything I have never seen before? Take it /don't take it.....That is up to you. I've been on this board as long as it has existed. If you do a search for "JiM" you will get more pages of posts than you will want to read. But take a day off and read through everyone of them and then come back here and tell me which one you found me bragging about my dogs on. I got 4 or 5 thousand posts here. Find one.

I hope you pass the test and get to brag on your dog but if your experience is anything like mine, you will find out very quickly that bragging on your own dog is the shortest route imaginable to eating your words.

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after all of these years of coonhunting, I don't think that I need to put my dogs in one of these Hunt Test to tell me whether I have a coonhound or not. My opinion of a coonhound will differ slightly to some people, & a lot to others. One hour, for three different nights, does not tell me or you, if I have a coonhound or not.

As for UKC, I think the main reasons they came up with this program was two fold?

1. To create more interest in their K.C.

2. To create a little more income for their K.C.

As for the people that like this program, again I think that there are several different reasons.

1. For socializing.

2. Think that it will help get their dog/dogs recognition.

3. Some probably still don't have a strong opinion yet, of what it takes to be called a coonhound. As I said, THEIR OPINION.

4. And this just might be the biggest reason of all. There are more people than you think, that call themselves coonhunters, that are AFRAID OF THE DARK. It's a way of getting their dog/dogs in the woods hunting by it's self, but the owner will have someone with him/her to keep the BOOGIE MAN AWAY.

Get your rear off of the tailgate & get in there behind your dog & learn what it is doing & get it trained. You don't need someone with you TALKING, & you worrying about what THEY THINK ABOUT YOUR DOG.

But if you like them, thats GREAT.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Biggergoose
most dogs can tree a coon by themselves
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now thats BS!!!

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Boy Jim you seem like a real friendly guy, By the way telling me about How many posts you have on here is bragging, I didn't mean to get you upset and I wasn't being a smart _ _ _ . Don't take a hunt test I could give a rats butt , just because I took your response in saying that these hunt tests don't mean anything, Heck maybe they don't but I've been to one and think they do , I'm sure you'll be a mad or want to beat up with words or something else , but these words are my opinion nothing more and that is what almost every single word in every post or response is a opinion and nothing more.but hay thanks for your opinion , they mean a lot.
Trust me Jim I realize about the time you brag on a dog they go and do something stupid but hay if they do something right I believe you should brag (every dog has his day and that's about what you can trust one day) see Jim I starting out from ground zero I got this pup when he was 7 months old , only had seen one coon in his life up till then He has only ran with other dogs a few times, but he's running and treeing and he trees hard hasn't touched junk since I started , he has slicked tree a few times , but he has been under a lot of coon when I get there, heck hes even caught 2 on the ground that he killed all by himself and neither were kittens , see Jim I'm bragging why you ask because I've did this and not only am I proud of my dog but proud of myself, I started at ground zero, heck you should hear me about my kids I would drive you crazy. and this dog won't even be a year old until Nov 14

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I figured this would happen even though I hoped it wouldn't. I sure hoped it wouldn't turn into a Competition Hunter vs. Hunt Tester thing. That's just human nature I guess and can't be avoided. I never wanted the HTX compared to Nite Hunt titles. That's why it's considered a certificate and appears at the end of the dog's names.

It's just simply a different type of activity for a hound enthusiast. That's all. Something different. Some guys like one type of activity and hate the other. Cool. Some like both. Great. If I can come up with an activity that gets ALL those people who were previously not supporting nite hunts to come out and support the local club by entering the hunt tests, then the local club is stronger and the future of the sport is stronger. Your not going to encourage the strengthening of the local club by creating a division between the types. To each his own. Support the program you don't participate in if for nothing else than the future of hounds in general.

It's not a short term way for UKC to make money. We make our money registering dogs...not licensing events. It's our long term goal to keep the sport healthy and people active with their dogs. We'd like to be registering your dogs for a long, long time. We are only going to be able to do that if we can keep the sport healthy.

So the question is...is all this debate healthy or not healthy? lol

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Is there such a thing as unhealthy debate?

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No thats facts brother!!!!
I know of a dog that is one of the best dogs youve ever seen if turned loose by itself but turn him loose in a cast of dogs and he will leave a tree as soon as another dog opens, this fault is covered up by the hunt tests. Ive also seen dogs that tree a coon and then leave as soon as another dog covers them. this fault is also covered up by the hunt tests. Ive also seen dogs who will tree coon and then eat the face off of whatever decides to tree with them. TELL ME WHY SHOULD THESE TYPE OF DOGS DESERVE ANY TYPE OF RECOGNITION AT ALL?????

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Good point dan the man, these dogs were prolly made that way do to the ignorance on the other end of the lead starp not on the dog end, but do these people really deserve titles on there dogs? I agree hunt tests are done nightly by REAL coonhunters and REAL trainers all nite every nite

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Uh.....well....I think Todd just pointed out something that has been largely missed by about everyone including myself.
HTX IS NOT A TITLE!
It is a certificate.

Kinda like what you get when you take one of those internet classes as opposed to what you get when you go to college.

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is there any clubs in wis that have tried these??? no one in our club has showed much interest. do the clubs make any money putting them on?

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I dont think there has been much interest around here either.

IMO the guys that bad mouth nite hunts and talk about how great their dog is by itself arent going to put their money where their mouth is anyway.

Anyone can come up with a thousand excuses for loosing a cast, but...
What will be their excuse when their dog fails the HTX?

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JiM i like that analogy and youur absolutely corect

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I would love for our local club to have the test hunts, I've read about them but didn't understand it. I do now for the most part. I figure they will catch on eventually once people start trying them. Nite hunt vs. test hunt, haha we're just human like ya said! But the best thing is we'll still be hunting and enjoying what the Good Lord give us. So why not do the test hunt, pass that's great, if not try again. Can't hurt to have extra nite hunt titles and having a certificate to show you passed a test hunt is just a bonus.

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with Todd on this one.. Keep the sport alive and thriving for the future along with the other events sponsored. They all have a place to be used to encourage participation in this sport. Club participation is a big one. Have some fun guys don't knock it till you try it. Seems like those who have gone speak well of Hunt Tests so why not go and tree a coon or 2 and earn a certificate while doing it ?? Support the club, visit and BS with other hunters. No big difference than having a big coon contest during season... I was at the local club the other day. They had another KC event the night before, NO ONE SHOWED UP ??? Why not just have an HTX event after the monthly club meeting ??? Heck your already there and alot of guys go hunting afterwards anyway, or practice scorecard hunts amoust themselves to sharpen their skill and knowledge with the rules. Just my 2 cents.....

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I guess I'll learn more about them on the 7th of November. Our club has decided to try holding a hunt test. I'll try to remember to let you know how it goes.

I don't beleive they will take the place of nite hunts and titles.

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I put my cur dog in one of these hunt tests and enjoyed it. We treed two coons in the one hour hunt. I think that they are a good thing. These hunt tests aren't going to be for every one but the night hunts aren't for every one either.

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Didn't the hunt test idea originate with the cur dog people?

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Really these tests aint fair...I mean come on...Dogs down here might have to hunt 1 hour or more to find a coon...Might have to hunt 5 min up north...Hows that fair??

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All you have to do is hunt for one hour, and have your dog not have more than 2 faults. How is that unfair for anyone?


Up here in Michigan, yeah we might be able to tree 2-4 coon in an hour, but that just seems like more chances to fail.

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I just wish that everyone look at the rules and then try the hunt tests out before making a decision on them. You have to pass 3 hunt test to get the HTX degree. You also have to strike, run and tree 1 coon in order to pass but not commit 2 faults in an hour. In thicker coon north of me I could see where someone could easily tree a coon and then commit 2 faults in the rest of the hour and not earn a pass. Where we're at we usually are going to get after one coon and maybe 2 given the night so they better be pretty good at treeing the coon they get after or they're not going to pass either. With a 40% pass rate it must not be as easy at it seems. If you end up with a hound that has a show title, night hunt title, and an HTX title then that hound has shown they are a pretty good all around hound.

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^^^great post^^^

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i wish that ukc would not allow any titles on any dog until they could pass the hunt test. this seems to be a good way of weeding out the puppy millers and breeding to every dog out there. it would better all breeds by making sure the dog could indeed do what is breed to do (hunt coons), not just show, or have puppies, or follow someone else's dog in the woods all night hoping they make a mistake. some of you know what i mean!!! it happens and they get titles to go with it.

make the hunt test the standard for all breeds and we will all have better dogs to hunt.

please quit letting handlers title dogs that can't pass the test.

its simple, but most people are scared of change, but change is good.

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