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Just about every UKC hunt ive been on, dogs pack the whole hunt. Ive always seen alot more split trees hunting PKC. I guarantee it. UKC definitely needs a countdown on tree. They also need to change the rule bout casting dogs when a dog is treed. If all dogs are treed, then fine. But if we score my dogs tree and 1 dog is treed and the other b2 are running, the dog should be turned loose. Hes not being allowed to compete. Why penalize a dog that just treed a coon to itself by leash locking it with dogs out running? CRAZY!

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Im not fimiliar with PKC or AKC rules. What is tree countdown and AKC strike rule?

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In PKC when a dog is treed first for 100, the 5 is started, after 30 seconds 2nd tree is closed, after 1 minute, 3rd tree is closed. In other words, if u tree ur dog for 100 and somebody else trees their dog 31 seconds into the 5, they can only recieve 50. If its after 1 min into the 5, they can only recieve 25.

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i hunted a dog in the breeders showcase for someone and he was a slick tree artest. he would be struck and treed before the min. was up every first turn loose and every 5 to 10 min. the rest of the hunt, NEVER had a coon and 9 out 10 was circle. he won 1 cast and if i had not messed up he would have won 2 out of 3. not what i want.

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So what is your point? You drew two casts of dogs that couldn't tree a single coon. What could that have to do with rules?

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So what is your point? You drew two casts of dogs that couldn't tree a single coon. What could that have to do with rules?

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good, so we may see a change in the tree countdown and maybe the leash locked rule wont be so bad.

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Public opinion does not change the rules.

BREED ASSOCIATION representatives at the rules meeting cast votes on each rule change proposal.

A simple majority of the votes cast will not change the rule....you have to have a majority of the breed associations vote YES....

With the addition of the Leopard Hounds into the mix....I would not count on a change in the leash locking or the tree countdown....

Lets not forget that one of the breed associations did not send a representative to the meeting two years ago.....not sure what the reason is/was....but it speaks volumes for what they want changed......

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The count down is the only way to go,but you wont see it in ukc. The reason I think is because of the breeds. Every year this is talked about the walker guys are all for it and some others but most of the other breeds dont want it because most of them are much slower to get treed. These guys are all about them and not about the best dog. I dont understand how someone thinks they should get 2nd tree after covering another dog after almost 5 min. The change would be best for the sport.

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Joe, we need to post how each of them vote on this along with the names and breeds. Then maybe we can get people to move on this a bit if they know that everyone will know just who is holding this move up. The way it has been people just point at others and say we were for it but they would not pass it while at the same time they voted no on it.

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http://www.ukcdogs.com/WebSite.nsf/...33?OpenDocument

Proposal 10 was the countdown.....
Proposal 3 was the leash lock rule....
This came MUCH closer to passing Three to Three with one association ABSTAINING from the vote..... Funny how you have to vote in a cast, or be scratched...but if it involves a rule change, you can just choose not to vote!

for a complete breakdown....

http://www.ukcdogs.com/WebSite.nsf/...18?OpenDocument

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I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT CUT TO 15 MIN IF A DOG DOESN'T HUNT SCRATCH THEM. AND GADAWG THE AKC STRIKE RULE IF YOU STRIKE THEM DURING THE FIRST MINUTE YOU HAVE TO TREE THEM. TAKES THE BUCKET OUT OF THE EQUATION.

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I like the whole scoring thing as it is. If there was a countdown it would require more watching the clock and aggravation. I dont see how the judges do it, it would be hard to listen for my dog and having to watch the clock and keep up with everyone elses Id rather not be a judge anyway.JMO

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It aint that hard.Run time for 30 sec and second tree is dead.Run it for 30 more sec and 3rd tree is dead..After 1 min everything else gets a quarter!!

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[B]So, aint none of yall having any trouble with babblers nowadays? I'd rather have a rule like akc's strike rule than a tree countdown.

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I dont like punishing dogs for striking close coons. If your at a big event and your getting 25 strike and 125 tree every tree. You score 4 coons thats 600+. Another cast strikes after the min and scores on three coons at 225+ each thats 675+ and you lose your dog treed more coons but lost because he struck them before one min. I like the scoring the same I wouldnt like the countdown I do however favor the 3 min you squal and getting hard on babblers. JMO

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So what is your point? You drew two casts of dogs that couldn't tree a single coon. What could that have to do with rules?

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Thats a breakdown in judging, not a breakdown in rules....if there is not a coon there...MINUS it.....

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You must have got pretty lucky and drawed some worthless pups!

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All of these changes and reccomendations are fine but who on here voted at their breed days to submitt these changes to UKC ????

I have not had one single request for a rule change...not 1

So unless you and your breed Assn wrote up changes or reccomended changes and submitted them to UKC ???Then your not going to see any of these on the table.

In the past the breed Assn would get the proposed rule changes and vote, and if they did not have a majority then they failed.

Several years ago I asked for all the breed Assn to send a couple of folks into a meeting so we could go over the changes, adjust where we needed, make wording changes but work to compromise so changes could get passed. It has worked the last 6 years.

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DAWG, he was hunting the Breeders Showcase. That is a huge event that takes place in an area where coons are largely extinct....or atleast you would think so if you hunted there. I hunted that area a total of 4 nights, all four dogs casts, 12 different dogs besides my own. Never looked at a single coon. Not one in four nights of hunting. I seriously doubt I would be a coonhunter if I had to hunt that country every nite!

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Jim, Thats Gods country for coon huntin compared to here lol..REALLY!!!!!!!!! Rickleffs told us one night.Hed take up knitting if this was all he had to hunt lol........Coons must have just not been moving at the showcase.

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Change non working dog from 30 min to 15 min. I'm sick of listening to dogs pant at your feet and leave your lites to go piss on some bush and break the 30,and come right back.Or add dog must be outta sight for five minutes to break the 30.

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Mr Hauck, if you look back to the 2006 rule change proposals you will find that your Association didn't propose any changes that year either. In fact of the 11 Nite Hunt rule change proposals, all but one were proposed by the either the TWB&FA or UKC. The English Association submitted one proposal also. So I would'nt think you would find it suprising that none of your members have submitted any changes. Heck, I didn't send any in to my Association this year either. I'm at a stage where reworking the rules are the least of my concerns. I need a coondog!

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