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Put it this way denny, do they let everybody carry guns around? NO, if they did it wouldnt mean EVERYBODY was gonna shoot somebody but its only that select few that ruin it for everyone. Why should us hunters pay for their stupidity at the price of a hound? I wont even turn loose in a woods that i knows being trapped because of it. BAN THEM BAN THEM BAN THEM BAN THEM BAN THEM, because if i get a dog killed in one you dont wanna be the dude that set that trap.

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I dont think they need to outlaw connibears they do need to outlaw certain sets that they make with them. Most of the time trappers are to lazy to get off the road ditches to set them and thats fine. Then I know where they are. I was really supprised to find these where they were. They were in the middle of the woods by den trees after season was closed without land owner permission. I can think of 5 or 6 guys that use this board that have turned dogs loose in that timber with me and probably another 10 that dont use this board. I have guided casts there. As far as coon hunters cutting fences just drive around next season and look at where there are holes in woven wire fences that the tappers cut in there to make coon trails. I bet you will find a connibear in darn near every one. Coons didnt chew them holes in the fence.

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ban them ban them ban them ban them ban them ban them ban them ban them ban them ban them ban them ban them ban them

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You guys should read that page in the Outdoor News.

There is all kinds of illegal trapping getting done, unfortunately the fines don't deter the slobs.

Maybe our illustrious trappers could explain why there is no law hitting untagged traps with large fines?

Maybe our illustrious trappers would like to explain why they don't pay restitution to dog owners, farmers, and in one case a family that lost someone who was a " non-target animal"

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well what about that ****ing idiot in pine county that was snaring all them deer? Some of you weather you know if or not know who the perp is. The guy was puttting snares in the woods and on trails 3-5 ft off the ground. Well what walks around 3-5 off the ground? Just about everying on 4 legs. All trappers may not be bad people but they sure work dang hard to make me think they are

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as far as im concerned make trapping all together illegal, because weather or not there all bad or iresponsible people are still loosing dogs and nothing is changing. I dont care what the law is, if i see traps i destroy them.

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I dont think they need to outlaw connibears they do need to outlaw certain sets that they make with them. Most of the time trappers are to lazy to get off the road ditches to set them and thats fine. Then I know where they are. I was really supprised to find these where they were. They were in the middle of the woods by den trees after season was closed without land owner permission. I can think of 5 or 6 guys that use this board that have turned dogs loose in that timber with me and probably another 10 that dont use this board. I have guided casts there. As far as coon hunters cutting fences just drive around next season and look at where there are holes in woven wire fences that the tappers cut in there to make coon trails. I bet you will find a connibear in darn near every one. Coons didnt chew them holes in the fence.

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bud i'm with you hunters fighting hunters(trappers) is not he answer, finding a solution the wrongful animals not being caught is the answer, the trapper asscocitation are making steps(not as fast or big as i would like to see but trying)

bud i have 1 question for you as a hound hunter and trapper, do you hunt your hounds where you have set traps/conibears. i would guess not, but see here is where you can choose not to hunt that area, most the time for hound hunters it's to late and find our dogs dead in the traps/conibear, heck i would like to see the dnr make where a woods had to be posted, by the hunter with land owner permission.

this property is hunted by hounds at night.
hunter wade lucking 320-679-4056
land owner john doe 320-67+-345+

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this property is being trapped by.
so and so(phone number)
land owner jane doe (phone number)


that way anyone would know that there pets or hound hunters would know before entering, land owner don't always share details, i will say this if a hound hunter goes to ask permission and the land owner says someone is trapping here the hound hunter goes elsewhere, if a trapper goes and ask permission and the owner says some hound hunts here the says it won't affect notheing and you get rid of twice the animals, and then when the hound hunter goes out the that night SNAP!!!! it's to late.

also if i'm wrong please let me know, but it is legal to set traps in ditches correct, if i'm right i would like it so you can't and you have to have permission from a land owner.

just some ideas, we can't fight against each other but do need to come up we agreeable concepts to keep both party's involved.

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bud i'm with you hunters fighting hunters(trappers) is not he answer, finding a solution the wrongful animals not being caught is the answer, the trapper asscocitation are making steps(not as fast or big as i would like to see but trying)

bud i have 1 question for you as a hound hunter and trapper, do you hunt your hounds where you have set traps/conibears. i would guess not, but see here is where you can choose not to hunt that area, most the time for hound hunters it's to late and find our dogs dead in the traps/conibear, heck i would like to see the dnr make where a woods had to be posted, by the hunter with land owner permission.

this property is hunted by hounds at night.
hunter wade lucking 320-679-4056
land owner john doe 320-67+-345+

or

this property is being trapped by.
so and so(phone number)
land owner jane doe (phone number)


that way anyone would know that there pets or hound hunters would know before entering, land owner don't always share details, i will say this if a hound hunter goes to ask permission and the land owner says someone is trapping here the hound hunter goes elsewhere, if a trapper goes and ask permission and the owner says some hound hunts here the says it won't affect notheing and you get rid of twice the animals, and then when the hound hunter goes out the that night SNAP!!!! it's to late.

also if i'm wrong please let me know, but it is legal to set traps in ditches correct, if i'm right i would like it so you can't and you have to have permission from a land owner.

just some ideas, we can't fight against each other but do need to come up we agreeable concepts to keep both party's involved.

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bud no i do not run my hounds in ditches, in fact i get them at least 100 yards or so of the road. if trappers weren't allowed to trap ditches then they would have to ask permission from land owners, in result more people would be aware of the traps/conibears, the coon or other game might run ditches but they come from somewhere(usally on a near by landowner property). i know most ditches are owned by the state(again might be wrong) but i would find as a huge problem if i cut my hound in a ditch where i know he would run into property i had no hunting rights on.

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ONE GROUP AGAINST THE OTHER, DIVIDE AND CONQUER. EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO BE IN THE WOODS AND PARTAKE IN THE ACTIVITIES THEY LIKE BEST UNDER THE LAW. I DON'T SEE ANY TRAPPERS ON HERE SAYING "I KNOW YOU KNOCK A COON OUT TO YOUR PUPS IN THE SUMMER TIME, I THINK IT SHOULD BE BANNED". I HAVE HUNTED AND TRAPPED FOR OVER 30 YEARS NOW AND FOLKS SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO DO BOTH. THERE ARE SLOB HUNTERS/ TRAPPERS/ FISHERMAN/ETC.
IT IS HUMAN NATURE AND THAT IS WHAT FINES/JAILS ARE FOR.
STEEPER FINES-JAIL TIME MAYBE, BANNING CERTAIN FACCETTS
OF OUT DOOR SPORTS AT THE HANDS OF OTHER SPORTSMEN IS JUST WHAT WILL STOP US ALL FROM DOING ANYTHING. THEY LOVE TO SEE US FIGHT AMONG OURSELVES, MAKES THEIR WORK MUCH EASIER. <v>

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Wade i see what yur sayin and ive thaugt that same thng but in favor of the traper i dnt thnk its a good idea cause youd b advertising to the antis nd fur thieves bud im nt against or tryin to stop conibears im tryin to work with u no the 2 of us cnt change this but its a start thats y im sayin just like the coonhunters have braugt to the table make em dog proof or so far off the ground or under water hound hunters would b extremely hapy with that they wouldnt have any problems with them than

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Jesse, I apologize for blowing up at ya.

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No need i no this is a touchy subject and my way with words dnt always come out the way ther meant i wana get ths hole thng settled so we cn all work together if the trapers and hunter got together we would b extremly strong

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Yep, same hear. I've always said if the hound hunters could ever become as well organized as the MTA we would have a bear season here. That would have it's good and bad points also.

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I do a ton of trapping and hunting and that being said, The president of the Minn trappers ass.. is a good guy and would work with hunters to come up with something,
From my experience and like i stated i've been around i hunt all over.....houndsmen for the most part are very closed minded and harsh towards trappers, i think if we had some level headed guys like bud or wade talk to the trappers ass....i think head way could be made...i think we can all work together and come up with a solution to the problem at hand, i think everyone knows there is a problem its just how to solve it

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I do a ton of trapping and hunting and that being said, The president of the Minn trappers ass.. is a good guy and would work with hunters to come up with something,
From my experience and like i stated i've been around i hunt all over.....houndsmen for the most part are very closed minded and harsh towards trappers, i think if we had some level headed guys like bud or wade talk to the trappers ass....i think head way could be made...i think we can all work together and come up with a solution to the problem at hand, i think everyone knows there is a problem its just how to solve it

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I do a ton of trapping and hunting and that being said, The president of the Minn trappers ass.. is a good guy and would work with hunters to come up with something,
From my experience and like i stated i've been around i hunt all over.....houndsmen for the most part are very closed minded and harsh towards trappers, i think if we had some level headed guys like bud or wade talk to the trappers ass....i think head way could be made...i think we can all work together and come up with a solution to the problem at hand, i think everyone knows there is a problem its just how to solve it

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I have a really good freind that is a board member and something he is going to really push for is a split Bobcat season. I know this doesnt help the coon hunters but it is a step forward. None of the details have been put down in writing yet, as of rite now their main focus is on the lynx issue, then when thats over they are hopefully going to be able to work on other things.

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why split the bobcaot season, if that gets spilt next it will be split the coon season, again sportsmen fighting sportmens. traps should try to be dogs proof.

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all this is fine and dandy but a 220 conibear has no place set on dry land in game runs. I had a very nice female killed 2 yrs ago by a trapper who had a coni or snare set in every trail going in or out of this little timber. they were tagged so they were legal. that doesnt make it right for him to kill anything that uses those game trails.

a foot hold will do just as good as a coni in most every situation.

BUT like it has been said ethical trappers check their traps and alot of these guys who use conmis or snares dont

Marty

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i had heard that they are starting mandatory trapping classes to help train trappers, and you have to pass one to get a licence, that will help....but the slobs will still trap with out it or a licence, so it don't help in some areas.......I kinda feel like the coni's should not be on dry land either but who knows.....I do know that since the gritz getters came out more and more guys are going dog proof etc....

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I don't like conibears but..... leg sets leave them be, head sets go in the river no exceptions. Works for me.

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I don't like conibears but..... leg sets leave them be, head sets go in the river no exceptions. Works for me.

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