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GARY DID YOUR FEMALE EVER COME IN HEAT? I KNOW ONE CROSS THAT SURE WORKED ON OLD RAT HOW BOUT IT GARY.

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Backwater-52 whats wrong with the trackman dogs?

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I have hunted with several out of him that would demolish a cast. They have the tree dog rep, but in the right mans hands alot of them were tough. He crossed well with just about everything. I like the wpeout crosses.

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Yes Harry I think we have one of the best crosses ever made on Rat, I Bred her to Pine Ridge Tuff acouple of weeks ago hope she sticks. How are you and jenny doing and what re you planing to breed her to next time? Candy needs 1 more win to make GR Nt, should have been already, my fault not hers. Im also going to breed my Fernie female to Wipeout Speck when she comes in.

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Ouch that really hurts since I own two trackman &one rat. Lol Lol your opioin counts So far they all do good in my eyes and mine are the ones that count since I feed them . Gary I like how he trees (hard ) & I like the dog in just about all ways I just got to figure him out .Country feller thats a harsh opinin but everybody got one . Thanks for the in put. I will keep my eye on those traits.Again everybody thanks Give me more . Oh yea ( mike shannon how did you do ?? win win ??????).. And that Hillbilly dog is a good dog in my eye to I would feed him

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we was on a dead cast. but he did ok for his first hunt first drop had first tree on a den. DANG IT.

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Statistics don't lie. How did Sackett Jr. and Rat Attack (father and son) get to be the two highest percentage winning dogs in UKC history? (18-19%) if they were so lousy? Check out the back of Bloodlines for current and historical reproducers. Check out Prohound Magazaine for similar statistics on leading sires. You will see these two names over and over again. If you work at it, you can get lousy dogs when you breed a worthless "blooded" female to a big name stud dog. Otherwise, you keep breeding the best to the best, and eventually you get good dogs. The science of genetics and animal selection is indeed complex, and to criticize a stud dog because you hunted with just a few individuals does not reflect the whole population. These two hounds will go down as two of the all time greatest reproducers in the Treeing Walker breed. There are also many other fine studs and bloodlines out there, and all of them will sometimes throw a dud.

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Not sure why this thread is going in another direction, but personally I like dogs out of sackett Jr better than I like the dogs out of Rat...not putting rat down, but its just my preference if I had to choose a pup of either of the two I would own the sacket JR pup everytime, from my experience with both sacket jr pups and rat pups I prefer sacket jr pups I found sackett Jr reproduced a more balanced dog...everyone likes what they like...I have owned many rat dogs/pups and the best generalization that I could make from all my experience is....chop/squeally squawl mouths on track 100bpm tree dogs that are 50-60% accurate...Like i mentioned before I think there are some very nice rat dogs out there!! And then again with the number of pups produced your going to get that.

Not down grading Rat as he is going into the Hall of Fame as one of the greatest reproducers of all time, just giving my perception of his offspring and saying that I like his daddy's offspring better than his.

Another thing that makes him a great stud dog is the name Buzz Lynch....The owner/promoter makes a huge impact in the stud pen.

Just like Trackman...If Kurt didnt sell intrest in track he would never be the stud dog he is today/going to be.

Personally, my favorite stud dog of all time is Logan' Wild Clover I believe him to be the greatest stud dog of all time followed by Sackett Jr. JMO

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Thanks I agree also this thread was started for me to find out some Rat Attack traits .And I belive I am gathering alot of just that its great .I also learn about sacket jr. ( I also have a dog out of him. ) so keep it coming guys I am learning more and more

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I have a Rat Attack dog. He is known a The Rat Trap. He has been in the winners circle as much as any other dog around. He is a bawl on track and chop on tree. The odd thing is that at a young age he was a little mouthy and chopped. But with age they all settle down. Yours will be fine. Just hunt the hide off of him. Good luck and god bless!

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Trap is a Very Nice hound you have sir, I have drawn and been beat by him. For me the crosses that I liked on Rat where the heavy lipper/harry bred bitches...also heavy clover females.

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GARY GLAD YOU GOT HER BRED I'M SURE THEY WILL MAKE GOOD ONES.I BRED JENI BACK TO CORD ONE MORE TIME. SHOULD HAVE PUPS ABOUT THE MIDDLE OF MAY IF EVERYTHING GOES WELL.KEEP IN TOUCH.

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Harry, Candys pups should be here around may 24th if everything goes well. Sure wish I had a younger Candy ready to replace her. I figured you might go back to Cord after the other liiter turned out so well, Ill stay in touch, take care.

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GARY I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN ABOUT ANOTHER ONE FROM CANDY AND JENI'S CROSS.I'M GOING TO KEEP A FEMALE FROM THIS LITTER HOPEFULLY SHE CAN FILL HER MOM'S SHOES. MY LITTER IS DUE MAY 16TH

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Hope I can get one to take her place.

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Here is Walburns Witchdoctor Treein Interin (Doc) Thanks fellas We treed two on this night

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This is second tree

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This here is my hillibilly mac dog a supper Lol Lol ...

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I know you dont have Hillbilly Mac dogs!!!

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I will breed Hangover to HIM!! Hillbilly Mac dogs are aggressive breeders and it will put real live coon treeing instinct in them LOL

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Nice pictures Reddog, what female is he out of ( Witch Dr X ?)

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He is out of "pr" Abbys Iron Mountain Ginger Looks alot like his daddy

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Good luck with him

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Well by know you must know this is the dog I have been talkin about .I think with the knowledge that I have gatherd here good and bad I have figured somthings out already some I have had thoughts about and now reasured they can be worked out .It always seems like it a lesson each time out somthing new or somthing old ..Thanks everybody you have been a big help ,..Mike Shannon that is realy a pigmy hillbilly mac .How about that dog bowl You want one Lol Lol Lets go huntin same spot 4-11 at two am.

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Someone describe Bad Habit's hunting style for me please.

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