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Yes I do know Dave Dean , but his business I do not know, but as advertised in the CB as well as in the American cooner magizines he wiil sell semen from Spanky as well as Hamer XIII. You should call Dave to get this arranged. If you do this good luck with your puppies.......

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I might just do that. I got a female should be in heat about the time bluetick days rolls around. Maybe she will be the one.

Dave Oswald, are people using the stuff or what? Is Dave breeding his own females to it? I can't undrstand why people would not want to utilize it. Chances are good I would say that at least some of the pups will tree a coon. I know the Spanky dogs I've been around were "natural" tree dogs that liked to get under coon, and they had good mouths and conformation. It's DNA'd now, what 's to be scared of? I have not heard of anyone raising a litter off Spanky semen. There's got to be someone out there...

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I don't know how all this dna and drawn semon works but my only thought is how do we know if the stuff is actually out of Spanky? I'm not doubting Dave Dean or anyone else but I have already had enough bad experiences with Spanky. I would love to have a dog directly out of one of the best this breed has ever seen but I thought I had a grand pup and now I don't. I am curious also as to what Dave charges for the straws. How much does it run to get the semon count checked and then the female A.I. to breed her with the semon?

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My hunting partner has a female out of spanky and his female we drove her up to daves to have her bred the female was an all blue bitch and the spanky pup looks identical to spanky . and is a real coondog

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Jay and Chris keep in mind when the Spanky accident happened Spanky was not in Daves Deans pen he was in someone elses. The dna had to be done to be able to draw and use for breeding so I think it prolly has been dna-p. I know a few people that have bought some of the frozen but havent used it as of yet. As far as cost and such I believe it varys from vet to vet. I have done price checks from a few vets and it ranges between $300 to $1000 per breeding plus cost of the seamen. Not many vets do the surgery. I guess thats one reason alot of folks dont use it regularly. As far as I know Dave hasnt used any yet. I own a direct daughter to Spanky and two grandsons. I like the Spanky blood and will prolly use a frozen breeding in the future. Dave

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I know Dave didn't own Spanky when all that occured. That's why I called and got ahold of Jerry Winn. I would be very interested in a dog directly out of Spanky if I knew it was out of Spanky. Heck I just wish there was some way to prove who the father of Etringer's Cricket was. Jerry said it was Spanky II and that would be fine. The only problem is UKC can only report facts and the only facts they know and are willing to find out do to cost is that Cricket is not out of Spanky and my Bo dog and lots of others have open spots in their pedigree's.

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Anymore ever surface on this dog?

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turns out he's still alive and has a new name and papers.

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turns out he's still alive and has a new name and papers.

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and why would I tell you anyway?

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and why would I tell you anyway?

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If you really know, then you would gain alot of friends and only one enemy. This would be really useful information to many people that are sitting with a top notch dog but only half set of papers. I would hope if you really know then you would do the right thing. Good luck Mr. Woodenbadger.

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yeah I was over to your buddy Windy's place the other day and picked some up. It sucks. Typical Minnesotan poop. Too bad about ole Windy.

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If you really know, then you would gain alot of friends and only one enemy. This would be really useful information to many people that are sitting with a top notch dog but only half set of papers. I would hope if you really know then you would do the right thing. Good luck Mr. Woodenbadger.

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this is how to create a huge mess.

you win a lot of major hunts with a certain dog.

the public demand for stud service and pups is way more than one dog can handle.

you start useing another dog to cover some of those females.

you have several of your own females that you breed to different males,but register 10-12 pups out of each one twice a yr whether she has pups or not,claiming they are all out of the big winner.

now you have a stack of puppy papers an inch thick to put on any pup that you can buy or raise,makeing them all out of ol winner.

you have now fooled a lot of trusting people out of a lot of money and you can laugh all the way to the bank.

but oh chitt!!!!!here comes dna!!!

now you have created a huge mess.

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this is how to create a huge mess.

you win a lot of major hunts with a certain dog.

the public demand for stud service and pups is way more than one dog can handle.

you start useing another dog to cover some of those females.

you have several of your own females that you breed to different males,but register 10-12 pups out of each one twice a yr whether she has pups or not,claiming they are all out of the big winner.

now you have a stack of puppy papers an inch thick to put on any pup that you can buy or raise,makeing them all out of ol winner.

you have now fooled a lot of trusting people out of a lot of money and you can laugh all the way to the bank.

but oh chitt!!!!!here comes dna!!!

now you have created a huge mess.

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BLUESTYLE..........THEY ARE PULLING YOUR LEG!!! MY DOG IS ONLY ONE OF THE MANY THAT IS TRUELY OUT OF SPANKY!!!!!!!!Quote:

Mackie I could have my wires crossed, but Fly was DNA-P even before Spanky was, And I know for a fact that Warren never reseaved a letter because I called and ask him. Then I guess Fly and your Spanky was the only ones.

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I got enough friends already Kenny. And that's one enemy I don't need. I'll stick to making enemies on this here forum. Thanks.


P.S. There is no such dog as Spanky II. Never was.

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Fly wasn"t out of the litter that she was registered out of and this isn"t hearsay, she was at least one year older than her papers indicated.

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Its pretty obvious who's problem the missing link with Spanky is. Alot of folks have listed the two individuals names several times in this post and other posts on Spanky. I even saw where alot of folks were telling Dave Dean had screwed it all up (untrue). Were are these folks now that jumped on the band wagon before? I own Spanky semen (DNA'd), I dont like to see Spanky's name drug thru the mud like this over a mistake that was made in Oklahoma! Dave

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Well, is the person who REALLY screwed this up still allowed to register or even own a dog in UKC????

I know that barring is a consequence of doing this crap.

I hope one day it will be IMPOSSIBLE to swap papers around!!!

People if you are doing this to sell dogs or title them out, it is the SAME as lying, cheating, and stealing, and i hope all the people who practice paper swapping get their ass caught!!!

Russell

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Fly wasn"t out of the litter that she was registered out of and this isn"t hearsay, she was at least one year older than her papers indicated.

I don't think that is possible, given that the cross was only made once.

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I know who owned Fly for several months before her birthdate on her papers, and then she was traded back to Warren H.

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I don't know about Fly as she was not involved in the problem. I have never drug Spanky's name through the mud and even said I would like to have a dog off Spanky. I also stated that Dave Dean had nothing to do with this mess as well. The only thing I said about the semon is how do you know that Spamky was the one collected. His parents were not DNA so that Spanky semon could have been from any dog that Dave or who ever got it collected took in the vet. I am also not saying that the Spanky semon is not as it should be I just said I have had enough problems with what was supposed to be off Spanky. No one will ever know what really happened but if it was intentinal then all parties involved should be bared. I know it happened long ago and all but if it ment enough for UKC to change my papers then it means enough to punish the ones who did wrong. The problem is Jerry is or last I heard in the clink and Warren is how old 70 or 80. It sucks that one of the most respected men in the bluetick breed could be at fault but if it wasn't a stud pen mistake and it was a paper swap on a pup deal then it truly was no mistake and someone is at fault. Sorry If I have ruffeld any feathers but this is truly a bad deal and one way or enother someone knew what was happening when it was done!

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