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An on line subscription fee to access info.. would be ok.. Let's say 20.00 annual fee ????

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registering dogs, and being able to go up to 7 generations (at least) on pedigrees.

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online registration shouldn't cost extra (this is the 21st century). The pedigree searches would be willing to pay a user fee.(so much a year). Keep it down, maybe $5-$10 per year.

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Tank,
what people don't realize is that the start up costs for these on line services would be there even if the service eventually saved UKC money. So I feel you would have to charge something. BUT have a choice:

I would be willing to pay $20 year, that could be regulated on the board where only paid members can register under their full name and UKC ID number, use these services on line, non members read only, non members go thru the mail as is now. UKC could issue a card with your UKC number that also may be used for events, discount on purchases, correspondents, etc. I would think if you had a UKC ID number all transactions could be performed with that one card for any request. Just a thought.

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fee of say $20 bucks and calling it a membership fee that allowed me access to pedigree look up and pad and being able to instantly tranfer a dog into my name provided i could print a transfer out that was usable to enter dog into a hunt or show in my name and would want to look up the dogs status such as fighting points won and such

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If I had to pay a annual fee to get instant access to all my dogs info such as points, anscestor's or litter information I would be willing. No one has been brave enough to throw out a price yet. I guess I would still complain at $20 a year but I would still pay it. I pay $25 to another registry and only get a crappy magazine. Just my opinion.

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I totally agree with what Doug R. said.

As far as paying a fee, of course I would be willing to pay. I don't think that most of you realize what it would cost to do the things you are asking of UKC. There is quite a bit of programming work involved as well as server space and other issues. For them to ask a fee is not out of line. Thats just my opinion!

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I belong to the American Red Angus Association and they have this exact set up for their members on line. I can put in a bull or cows reg number and get the pedigree, I can put in standards for a bull or cows epd's and get which ones in the herd match those standards plus much more like reg cattle on line and it is all done
FREE!!!

Contact them and see how you can provide a SERVICE for free.

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1. Points earned towards degrees

2. Owner/ Breeder of a hound

3. Sire/ Dam reproduction report

4. Shows, Hunts, ECT.. Won buy a dog.

I would be will to pay for this service providing it wasn't outragoues.

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This fee...would it be required of EVERYONE or just those that accessed the online information? If it is for everyone, then its not exactly fair. Why should someone pay a fee for a service they would never use? What about a per-search fee? couple $$ say per search?

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I'm a tightwad but I would rather get the service and pay for it, than to not get the service.

I just think online pedigree/title research would be such a huge step for a coonhound kennel club. I wouldn't mind for the kennel club that does it FIRST, successfully, to cash in a little bit. So, yeah, I'd pay something for it.

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I for one would pay a "membership" fee annually, say $20 for the first year, to get everything set up and going, and then drop it to $10 or $15 per year to keep the right to go online at UKC to register a newly pruchased dog, look up a pedigree, all of the things that we have to "snail mail" the paper work to UKC for.

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I WOULD NOT MIND THE PAYING FOR THIS BECAUSE IT WOULD MOST LIKELY SAVE YOU IN THE LONG RUN ON LONG DISTANCE PHONE CALLS TO UKC TO FIND OUT THE SAME THING YOU COULD FIND OUT ON HERE WITH ONE YEARLY FEE.

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Set it up so that this:

1. You pay an annual fee of $25/year for membership that allows you unlimited access to the entire program. Pedigrees, win reports, pup reports, hunt results, ets.

2. When you pay your memebership, you are given a password, account #. yada yada.

3. When you want to look something up, you log in, type in your password and look.

4. Also, maybe offer a thing where you can look up your dogs hunt/show wins and hunt results, WITHOUT having to pay that $25. That way, if all someone wanted to do was look to make sure that their dogs' State Show Champion title went in, then they wouldnt be required to pay the $25 for 5 minutes worth of usage. Say that is offered free, but if you want to look up pedigrees, pup reports etc. you have to be a paid member.


OR MAYBE GIVE A DAY'S FREE TRIAL TO LOOK UP ONE DOGS PEDIGREE, PUP REPORT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND MAKE IT TO WHERE THE COMPUTER CAN REGOGNIZE THE ISP ADDRESS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU JUST DIDNT LOG OUT AND LOG BACK IN UNDER A DIFFERENT NAME.


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Hmmmm ... I don't know Todd already has a pretty fancy UKC Field Office ... what more could he want?????LOL

Many good suggestions!!! Yes, Todd I would diffently be willing to pay for many of those suggestions as long as ya don't go all OPEC on us and keep the price reasonable.

1. File prehunt paperwork.
2. Online registration or ordering.
3. Database searches would be really neat!
4. Hunt paper work would be more difficult - signatures required.

PS Art,

Banks never do nothing for free! They are the biggest tightwads out there! Heck, I am allowing them to use my money to make them money! They should be coming to my house and doing some cleaning for me! As it is I got a new fee in my free checking/savings account just this week.

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Before you all agree to a fee why not contact other organizations like the ARA who are providing the service free already and find out how they do it????

A fool and their money I suppose but how can one organization provide it free and then every one chear when another will charge you for it?

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IS IT REALLY FREE??? I GUARANTEE YA SOMEONE IS PAYIN FOR IT, YOU PROLLY DONT NOTICE IT BUT I WOULD BET YOU ARE PAYIN FOR IT IN THE LONG RUN, HIDDEN REGISTRATION FEES, ETC, ETC...

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Add the $10 option to the magazine subscription or $20 or whatever as an option. When you subscibe or renew could answer 2 questions...... do you want all the online bells and whistles for $20 more a year or just the magazine? If so what is your e-mail address so we can provide you log-in information. That would be the pefect world without the buddy system in place LOL.

Pay as you go would probably be less abused but might die on the vine.

The bureaucratic approach might be that everyone pays a little more and the online service is offered for free with portions where money transactions are necessary being secure.

The internet generation approach would be online sponsors and commercialization with banner adds and linking sites.

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I really like the idea of being able to do hound geneology online.

I like the idea of tracking registration process or any paperwork process online including points earned, pre-registration for big hunts, status of transfer of ownership etc. ........ fewer phone calls to UKC if I could check it for myself.

Imagine what you could do for satallite clubs on a big hunt if everything was taken care of via computer and the directions to the club were printed out from mapquest with a appendum for which dirt road to take attached. Could even have the computer conduct the draw and would see less of show champions getting mixed into night champion casts and having to redraw...... it is easy to do just glance at the entries and it says CH.

Of course you could sell magazine subscriptions online.

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Dan, Since they added the option there has been no fee changes.

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I think that most of us who are online probably get the CB magazine so I don't think that anything that is published in there needs to be put online because it's already accessible by having a magazine subscription.

The pedigree research is a great idea but realistically it would take so, so much time to track and enter all the dogs deceased and currently living that it would take years to get up and running!

Currently I am very satisfied with the UKC website and all the free services available so far. Can some more be added yes. What should they be? I guess it depends on if UKC wants to charge for these services or not? If so then I would only pay if you were able to do extensive research on dogs. If not and you want to keep your site free but more in depth. Then I would offer these free services to both help customer and UKC with the workload.

1. Online Registering of Litters- via email and conformation from both breeder and stud owner or email of copy of litter registration. Shouldn't matter is it arrives snail mail or electronically. Saves postage and paper. Also downloading of the temporary pups papers.

2. Online Registering of the transfer of Dogs- same as above- of course you would need to have a credit card to pay for these for the same price as by postal mail.

Free Services~

1. Hunt report status of hunt results. This could be done by entering a page for the hunt winners. If you were at this hunt and its on the page then you know the paperwork was filed

2. A monthly chat~ Q & A with Wayne Cavanaugh. A set time for customers to ask questions on the board and get a response. Maybe one/two hours on one day a month.

3. A weekly chat! Q & A with UKC staff. Like Todd, Tank and others to answer questions and give important updates or breaking news.

4. Online PURINA RACE weekly updates on the top 10 and breed leaders.

5. List of Qualified dogs for World Hunt. Also a listing of dogs entered by preregistration such as W.C., A.O. and any other preregistering type of hunt.

Thanks for your time and considerations. UKC and it's staff are doing a quality job and giving a quality service already to its customers. I am happy that you are pushing forward and striving for excellence instead of being stagnant and satisfied.

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I have all ready paid for two rushes on papers this year, the one still took three weeks, I would pay to have it quicker. maybe a temperary registration that you can print out, then the pretty one comes in the mail. Same for registrating litters, entering dogs or pups for the performance program. What most people seem to be talking about is doing searches of a dogs linage, which would be like a huge data base, that is diferent, maybe the once a year fee, that is up to you. I don't know if most people would want their name and address assciated with that, except those that are begging to get calls and emails sent there way, they can pay to advertise on there maybe. Thank you.

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Dan, Since they added the option there has been no fee changes.

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The thought process behind UKC being able to provide or not provide online lineage seems to be flawed in some of the posters minds. I for one do not picture a room full of filing cabinets with registration information in them. I picture a database already in place that a good programmer could provide you feedback from. Those of you that are picturing hundreds of secretaries typing into the wee hours of the night to get pedigrees into a database or online need to think that has already been done long ago and the information is already stored in a computer somewhere.

How bout being able to type in a dogs name or # and see how many SfF it has?

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The thought process behind UKC being able to provide or not provide online lineage seems to be flawed in some of the posters minds. I for one do not picture a room full of filing cabinets with registration information in them. I picture a database already in place that a good programmer could provide you feedback from. Those of you that are picturing hundreds of secretaries typing into the wee hours of the night to get pedigrees into a database or online need to think that has already been done long ago and the information is already stored in a computer somewhere

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