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Its impossible to have a hound that is GOOD at winning hunts that isn't fun to hunt during the week. They win more by treeing more coons, don't they?

That may not hold true for those folks that go to the woods hoping to stay close to the truck and not really wanting to tree many coons. But we are talking "coonhunting" here, aren't we?

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I think the question was : What would you rather hunt, an outstanding competition dog that was no fun to hunt, or an outstanding pleasure dog that didn't excel in competition?

To me it seems obvious that you'd most enjoy hunting the dog that you most enjoyed hunting with! Seems like a no-brainer!

A better question might be, what type, style, and attributes do you most like in a dog for coonhunting? If someone says, the ability to win, they're not talking about coonhunting and coondogs, they're talking about themselves.

A competition dog could be a babbling, trash-running switch-over dog, or an alligator than will clean every tree. A competion dog could also be a first class coondog! It seems that the criteria for evaluating a competion dog is that they win, regardless of HOW!

A pleasure dog could be just about anything depending on who's describing the dog. A COONHUNTERS pleasure dog is most likely a first class COONDOG, or they wouldn't enjoy hunting it! You'll rarely see one of these for sale! A DOG JOCKEYS pleasure dog is most likely a dog that just can't cut the mustard, for one reason or another. You'll find lots of these for sale!

There are a lot of competition dogs that aren't COONDOGS! There are a lot of so-called pleasure dogs that aren't COONDOGS! What there's not a lot of, regardless of where you are looking, is COONDOGS!!!

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Originally posted by Craig Edwards
Positively True!!!!!!!! Coon must be seen.


With this being the criteria, do you think the dog with the most + points is always the best dog????


Do you think dogs that can't tree a coon by themselves ever walk away with + points????

Not trying to start something. Just wondering.

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Russell you make it sound like thats the only way too win in nite hunts and that offends me.You are the one that kept hunting a babbling me too dog that YOU had to slick handle to get part of the tree.If you felt as strongly as you say you do you shoulda put a bullet in her and apoligized to everyone you pitched on.When I show up to a hunt I know I'm packing a COON dog.If I get beat by one of those type dogs then I'm not packing as much of a coon dog as I thought,but I'm not gonna cry about it and go get me one of those type dogs or start slick handling.I'm gonna start preparing a little harder and get to know my dog so well that if someone pitches off my dog fast enough to beat me there will be a reason I didn't call my dog anyway.Believe me if I chose to I could slick handle with the best but its nicer just to beat em with a coondog.

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I so wish that your words were true! I.E. Spider eyes, rain drops, twinkling stars and so on...... the point is in comp hunting the majority rules and new comers (with a coon dog) usually lose!

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Oh Yea, to answer the question I prefer a hound to hunt for pleasure, but I will still enter a few hunts, maybe once a month and probaly the bigger ones like RQE's or Bluetick days because it is less likely to draw out against friends, family and local club members, names John, see Ya'll at AO.

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I would prefer the Pleasure hound because that is what I have spent my whole life doing. I am starting to like comp hunting but, I know what several people are talking about not wanting a comp. dog. Life is to short to put up with a dog that runs a mile with his nose in the air to out do the other dogs before he starts hunting, by far the worst thing I see is that Comp. hunters are way to happy to hunt a ruff dog and claim that he wont start anything buuuuuuuuuutttttttttt he wont back down (same thing to me). I will take that wimp as some want to call them any day of the week, because I know he/she did not start athing and I can hunt a pup with them.

I really do wish that what some have stated that a good comp. dog is a pleasure to hunt but it is just not true atleast that has been my observantion.

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You got a good point. I would get tired if I had a dog that only split treed. I haven't been that fortunate or unfortunate depending on how you looked at it.

Keep em in the woods.

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q how many coons do pleasure hunters want to tree a night?
a all they can

q how many coons do comp want to tree a night?
a all they can

if you dont want to tree a coon stay at home its simple.

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Originally posted by Craig Edwards
Positively True!!!!!!!! Coon must be seen.


With this being the criteria, do you think the dog with the most + points is always the best dog????


Do you think dogs that can't tree a coon by themselves ever walk away with + points????

Not trying to start something. Just wondering.

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Coon must be seen.

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I love to pleasure hunt my competition dogs.

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I agree with John D.

Its a common misconception that you need a slick treeing, babbeling, junk running alligator to win.

I usually hear this from folks that attend a minnimum ammount of hunts and have formed their opinion on preconceived notions or heresay.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by josh
[B]I agree with John D.



So do I.

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Pleasure. Winning is nice, but if it can't get treed through the week I don't want it!

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Josh, I have a good friend that has won more hunts BIG and SMALL than MOST .

He categorizies them like this COMP. DOG and then COON DOG.

There is definitely a huge difference in a TOP competition dog and a TOP pleasure dog. Both need to be able to tree coon consistently and please the owner. In my opinion, the biggest difference is the "handle". The pleasure dog's mind needs to be always focused on what the owner wants and will finish the tracks either up a tree or in other refuge. BUT if in "other refuge, he needs to check in for "next assignment". I know of no place where coon are so scarce that a dog needs to "go yonder" like an idiot, passing coon as he travels just to "compete".

I heard another very successful comp. hunter describe the fault of a dog as " He just wants to have the coon too bad" Duh!!!!!!!!!!

This is in no way an attact on comp. dogs or hunters, BUT there is a difference on TOP dogs in each category. An average "pleasure" dog can win some hunts and an average "comp." dog can be of some pleasure during the week.

Also think about this; to a "comp" hunter it is pleasureable hunting a "world beater" during the week if,in fact, he's getting better for the weekend hunt.

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I want my hound to split treed on the coon everytime other hounds tree slick. I hate to walk to a tree where a coon is scored and my hound be trying to take a track on. Get treed on the first coon up and let the track dogs go on with the sow. If a hound has a track going left handed from the pack go tree that coon. If a hound has to split tree compared to not getting treed with other hounds, I don't want that hound. Lots of hounds that won't tree with others have a problem, I have seen hounds leave or cause a problem after others arrive at their tree. They just won't tree with dogs.

A top hound in competition will be a top hound in pleasure. Without tracking systems this may not be true. If a wide hunting hound has to get deep in thick coon all the time, I don't want it. On the other hand, I hate sending a hound several times to get a coon treed. I never thought I could be satisfied with a hound that wasn't at the front end of a strike and one that came back without getting treed. If I know your hound is a straight line hunter that doesn't come back, I will send the hounds with the wind and hope he doesn't strike in hearing. After scoring a couple close coons we will call time out where you can track yours.

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Well said, blueticker.

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In my case we're talkin about the same dogs used for both.
Same with the guys I hunt with. When we pleasure hunt we always take into account the tendencies of the dogs we're huntin that night. Certain pairs of dogs wont back each other, so on the nights we hunt them we usually alternate them by themselves. Each gets a turn to "shine" or look like an idiot. This elimates alot of the travelin alone to split trees. The type of dog I personally like is one I enjoy whether Im "practicing" (comonly called pleasure hunting for me) or entering in a hunt. I cant afford to feed a pen full of pleasure dogs and competiton dogs as seperate entities.
If you've got the go yonder type dog, hunt the mile sections and you can shoot the bull with your buddies while your drivin to the other side. If your're pleasure huntin with your buddies and want em to pack, take the one (and you know you got at least one!) that will most likely give you your best chance to hang close to your buds all night.
Whether pleasure huntin or comp huntin I want my dog to perform the same.. strike quick.. get treed quick.. stay till i get there.

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John D I think I said this somewhere else you and I are on the same page and pigeon took the short hand version I love to pleasure hunt my competition dogs.Well said

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J. Grubbs, how ya been? Not heard from you in a long time.'

Trust me the dog I was talking about would tree one in the first fence row if it was there, but he would make you stay out all night if you dropped him where there wasn't nothin to tree cause he went till he got treed no matter how far that was.

If you hunted him with plenty of coon he was a sheer joy to hunt.

Unfortunately where I lived at the time a very good strike dog might have to hunt an hour to find a coon to run. Entire nite hunts were regularly won with 1 coon being seen, pretty good sized hunts to with 3-4 NtCh casts and 3-4 registered casts and usually only 1 cast (if they all hunted around there) came back having seen a coon during hunt time.

Course I still hunted him through the week, I just drove 45 minutes to an hour away and hunted where I knew there was plenty of coons LOL. Counting drive time and all I could tree three singles and be back home before I could make one drop and be back home 5 minutes from the house.

If you never had to hunt in it you wouldn't understand.

If you ever did you would likely say what most other guests said "if this is all I had to hunt I would quit". LMBO.

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Rip, been running the hospital circuit, been tested had evey test 'ceptin heart worms and rabies.LOL I'd guess Johnson city area would be a little tough. I used to like the same type you're describing, now at 73 I gotta have one that "handles"


Side note. our "pleasures" in life do tend to change over the years.

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during the week i want a dog that has a reverse..... one that will hunt a circle and check in if no track found..... where i'm at coon are few in numbers..... i absolutely hate a dog that out hunts his mouth (stikes out of hearing)...... don't want him/her leaving the truck in a straight line at a dead run, round here when they do that they are so far gone before they strike you never hear 'em...

the type dogs i prefer to hunt every night is the kind i will always see meat when i go to the tree, i can win enough little hunts to make a NTCH now & then, but you will never see me or hear my name connected to the world hunt......

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