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If the dog or dogs tree a grinner they deserve to be scratched.


I would like to see the off game rule apply to open registered casts also.

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So if your dog trees a coon after hunt time is up you can plus that to now? On a register cast you won't minus it so why scratch the NTCH??? Or would you even shine the tree after time out...How many trees does the judge go to after hunting time is up 5% maybe? So what now the judge has to go to all trees after time is up???

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I think the judge should also ride in the back of the truck with the dogs in case one of them growls in the dog box while you are driving down the road.

that way he can scratch them

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.... On a register cast you won't minus it so why scratch the NTCH???....

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Originally posted by Gibbo

The moral to this story is: don't shine trees after the hunt is over

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In a way that is funny! Mainly because some of you agree with it.
So much for the best dog taking home the cast win.

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so did he get scratched..

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Originally posted by vegas
hunt was over so how could the dog be scratched

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Originally posted by Camopup
In a way that is funny! Mainly because some of you agree with it.
So much for the best dog taking home the cast win.

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It was just not his night. I have never had a judge go with to get my dog after hunt is over, unless his dog is with mine. This will not happen 99% of the time. It's not always how good the dog or the handler is. Sometimes its if luck is on your side. It wasnt on his side that night. jmo RONNIE HILL

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the dogs are split treed after the time is up? Do you think the judge is going to go to all trees. Dont think so? JMO anything after the time is up should not be scored, that way its fair for all.

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when the hunt is over the judge isn't in authority.
ihave seen judges leave and go home the minute the hunt time is over but this is a good question that should be answered by ukc cause its bound to come up again

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I think, with the exception of scoring any dog that was treed in before time ran out, when the hunt time runs out the hunt should be over period.

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I personally think the scratching for off game rule is crap in UKC anyway!! I say give em an automatic 225 minus no matter what they struck or treed for and see if they can work their way out of a hole if they can come back and produce 2 or 3 coons afterwards he is obviously the better dog. A lot of dogs make mistakes I think a dog should be scratched for slick trees rather than minus and minus for possums, the dog that treed the possum actually did have something treed. Some of the best cooooondogs in th history were trashy many made their careers out of striking a deer or a fox and movin it out until they come across a coon and tree it. Many famous dogs did this and still do, you generally wont ever catch them doing it and its hard to argure with when they walk ya a mile in to a seen coon. I guess thats why I mainly hunt PKC with the acording to some on this post slick treein, possum treein sobs, and the mean dogs with all the slick handlers!!!! Thanks Jeremiah Glaze

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Originally posted by bearhunter
Well for the sake of argument, if the hunt time is over then the dog isnt under the authority of the Judge.

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I have always been told u can't be scratched for a grinner if they get treed after the hunt is over. If the judge is with me I don't shine it just because the judge and MOH might have a different opinion. I think the way the rules read you should be scratched, but I don't think its right

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The Judge may have the authority from the time he gets the card to the time he hands it back in, but in my eyes this is the same as trying to minus a dog never called treed that is found treed on an obvious slick after the hunt is over. I am not aware of any UKC rule that dictates shining trees/scoring situations for a dog that is found treed after the hunt time is over but was not declared treed during hunt time. JMO, but this sure is an interesting situation that has drawn various different opinions!

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I want to know if you can scratch him after the time was up.....Can you give him plus points if he had a coon?????

The answer is No.....so how can you scratch if you can't plus????

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Originally posted by samh
I want to know if you can scratch him after the time was up.....Can you give him plus points if he had a coon?????

The answer is No.....so how can you scratch if you can't plus????

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i like this rule,"if u cant plus a dog,u cant minus him.opps wrong kc.That is the stupidest rule i have ever seen.after the hunt is over,that means the two hours,it shouldnt matter what he does.I thought the name of the game was to see who has a better dog for 2 hours of hunting?so if he gets scratched,then does the second place dog no become the cast winner?

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This is truely amazing. The rule is clear as a bell. We know when the authority of the judge begins and ends because rule#1 states that so clearly that even a 3 year old can understand it. We know that dogs hunting under ntch rules are scratched if they run, tree or molest offgame anytime during the authority of the judge because rule #6(k) states that so plainly that again, a 3 year old could understand it. And yet about half of you say you wouldn't scratch a dog hunting under ntch rules for treeing a possum after the hunt is over. This may be the best explaination yet for why we see so much bitch'in about hunts today. They know the rules, they just can't see fit to follow them.

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This is truely amazing. The rule is clear as a bell. We know when the authority of the judge begins and ends because rule#1 states that so clearly that even a 3 year old can understand it. We know that dogs hunting under ntch rules are scratched if they run, tree or molest offgame anytime during the authority of the judge because rule #6(k) states that so plainly that again, a 3 year old could understand it. And yet about half of you say you wouldn't scratch a dog hunting under ntch rules for treeing a possum after the hunt is over. This may be the best explaination yet for why we see so much bitch'in about hunts today. They know the rules, they just can't see fit to follow them.

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This is truely amazing. The rule is clear as a bell. We know when the authority of the judge begins and ends because rule#1 states that so clearly that even a 3 year old can understand it. We know that dogs hunting under ntch rules are scratched if they run, tree or molest offgame anytime during the authority of the judge because rule #6(k) states that so plainly that again, a 3 year old could understand it. And yet about half of you say you wouldn't scratch a dog hunting under ntch rules for treeing a possum after the hunt is over. This may be the best explaination yet for why we see so much bitch'in about hunts today. They know the rules, they just can't see fit to follow them.

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Geesh, I'm glad I dont hunt with any judges...sounds like my dog could get scratched 2 weeks later if he messes with a deer.

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You people never cease to amaze me....Rules are rules and you must follow them...Just because you dont agree with something you feel like your way is the correct way....ignorant ppl....UKC is not stupid and I'm pretty sure that they have good justification on why they made "THEIR" rules the way they did....If you dont agree with something there is a time and place where your opinions can be heard, but dont compete in competition hunts and then turn around and come on here and BITCH about the rules....if you dont like them or dont want to follow them maybe you should not compete.

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lets stop and think about this for a minute.
why would a judge be scoreing trees after the hunt was over.?
is he just gonna go score the cast winners tree?
is he gonna give the possum tree'ers handler 10 minutes to search for a coon in a tree the dog was never declared treed on?
what #rule covers scoreing trees after the hunt is over when a dog hassnt been declared treed?does the majority have to see the possum?does the majority have to see the coon in order to save the dog?
sounds like a last gasp effort for a judge to win a cast to me.
im not saying a dog cant be scratched for offgame after hunt time,but i would think it would be more in the lines of the dog walking in with a grinner in his mouth. jmo

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