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well most of the stuff i have is prehistoric, mostly Hopewell and Adena culture... mound builders,with some showing Mississippian influance to a few heads and drills. also a clovis pont or two. the area i live in has many earth works. these were all found top ground from agriculture. also much of the things that are found are archcaic classed..........useually rather rough and pre date the mound builders. my brother has some rare finds such as banner stones and a part of a granite pipe. an ole boy.. who is dead now showed him alot about these thinsgs and was a big wheel in the ohio historical society,

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THERE ARE NUMEROUS SITES THAT WE HAVE FOUND WORKED GLASS. THIS WAS NOT DONE ACCIDENTLY.

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A FEW FINDS FROM N.W.ILLINOIS

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Perry: I have found a few arrowheads and tools in western NY .My uncle hunted for them along the Genesee river and I would tag along.That was over 45 years ago.Last spring,My grandson and I found the place,he called Fort Hill.It was a hill near the river and the native people had built up the dirt around the top as a fort.I had been tring to find it for a few years to show him,it was a great find.

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IS IT POSSIBLE THAT MORE MODERN INDIANS OR EVEN WHITES LEARNED TO NAP AND THATS HOW IT GOT THERE.
THIS PIECE OF GLASS IS NAPPED OFF ALONG THE EDGE AND HAS A KNIFE EDGE APPEARANCE. I DIDN'T MEAN TO INSULT YOUR INTELLIGENTS. AS I SAID BEFORE WE HAVE FOUND MORE THAN ONE PIECE OF MORE MODERN NAPPED GLASS ON SOME OF THESE SITES. THE INDIANS PICKED AWESOME PLACES TO SET UP CAMP AND THESE SAME SITES WERE USED FOR 100'S OF YEARS BECAUSE OF LOCATION SO WAY WOULDN'T MORE MODERN MAN USE THE SAME SITES AND MAYBE PICK UP ON THE NAPPING OF FLINT AND GLASS. DIDN'T BY ANY MEANS SAY I KNOW MORE THAN ANYONE, BUT I KNOW ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT THIS GLASS HAS BEEN WORKED. BY WHO?? NOW THATS A MISTERY. THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT. PERRY

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THAT POINT WAS FOUND IN THE WATER ALONG THE BACKWATERS OF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER BY A KNOWN SITE.
THERE HAS BEEN SOME AWESOME STUFF COME FROM THERE. THE FEDS HAVE SHUT THE AREA DOWN TO THE PUBLIC SINCE. ONCE AGAIN THANKS TO ALL FOR RESPONDING TO THIS THREAD. PERRY

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IS IT POSSIBLE THAT MORE MODERN INDIANS OR EVEN WHITES LEARNED TO NAP AND THATS HOW IT GOT THERE.
THIS PIECE OF GLASS IS NAPPED OFF ALONG THE EDGE AND HAS A KNIFE EDGE APPEARANCE. I DIDN'T MEAN TO INSULT YOUR INTELLIGENTS. AS I SAID BEFORE WE HAVE FOUND MORE THAN ONE PIECE OF MORE MODERN NAPPED GLASS ON SOME OF THESE SITES. THE INDIANS PICKED AWESOME PLACES TO SET UP CAMP AND THESE SAME SITES WERE USED FOR 100'S OF YEARS BECAUSE OF LOCATION SO WAY WOULDN'T MORE MODERN MAN USE THE SAME SITES AND MAYBE PICK UP ON THE NAPPING OF FLINT AND GLASS. DIDN'T BY ANY MEANS SAY I KNOW MORE THAN ANYONE, BUT I KNOW ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT THIS GLASS HAS BEEN WORKED. BY WHO?? NOW THATS A MISTERY. THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT. PERRY

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We(Dad, My brother and I)! have so many artifacts I couldn't even get you to believe what is here. Most is hidden In places we aren't even sure where it is right now. Packed alot away to move in the next year! We located and recorded Prehistoric sites in Darke County,Oh for 20 yrs. Axes, Hammerstones ,points(whole and parts of) by the thousands! Several nice spear points and Knives- Blades of all kinds! slate Hoes and a bunch of slate items in finished and unfinished condition! Dad has a nice oval pendant and I found a nice oblong one with 32 tally marks. Brothers prize was a Bird stone! I do know if I wanted to sell my collection I could retire! No It isn't for sale!It will probably all go to a museum some day. Except for a couple boxes that will be turned over to some native americans for reburial.We removed about 5 burials that we being destroyed by a bulldozer! Landowner let us remove them as long as we didn't tell! I'm not even sure where they are now. Just know they were pre historic human remains. they are in a couple boxes some where here!Once dad is gone I'll probably insist they be delt with, with respect! Found no artifacts with them just some ocre they used as face/body paint buried with them! Dad has pics some where of the excavation process! They are probably with the remains!Everything else here was surface found. Had some good memories of walking bean and corn fields looking for treasures! With no till farming about impossible to surface hunt any more. I pretty much have stopped looking!

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You are not insulting me, I know how the retouch happened.
Glass is very nasty to flake well. It is very brittle and tends to break by flexion when attepmting to send flakes across the surface.

I bet you also find whiteware and other kitchen refuse on those sites as well. It means that there was some sort of Euroamerican occupation and when people plow, thinngs get churned up and broken. Look at those chert tools you have. If you look close I bet you will see metal scratch marks on them. Those are plow marks.

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couldnt that "worked glass" be obsidian??

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dug this out of the ground when I was a teenager


check out the lock. it is of dutch origin called a "snaphaunce". it pre-dates the flintlock



there are decorative wraps of copper up the barrel and a silver end wrap with primitive engravings

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NICE FIND JAY. NEAT PICS TO. V.

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not post my artifasts on here it will let the thefs know where to still them,,,a man posted his on here not long ago and his house got robed of just them,

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Not brown and not here. Obsidian in the Midwest is dates to the Middle Woodland cultural period (Hopewell, moundbuilders) and is 99% from the Yellowstone area. It is black not brown. That is a portion of a beer or clorox bottle thats been beat around.

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Your percentage is off a bit there. Obsidian lithic sources are found through 4 to 5 areas in western states, also Mexico. Besides Jellystone, there are sources in No. CA, OR, UT, Utah having the largest source of mahogany or brown obsidian. The indians liked to wander and trade, so who knows.... One other mention of glass tools...glass points have been found along the trancontinental railroad, which means that the indians were still knapping in the 1860s. Go figure!

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Where is the most comprehensive information on the different periods that you guys that are so well informed would send a novice?

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Where is the most comprehensive information on the different periods that you guys that are so well informed would send a novice?

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I live in deep East Texas. I am 1/8 Indian due to my greatgrandmother being a mixed fullblood from a reservation in Oklahoma. We don't know much more than that due to the fact she was illigitamate. I have wondered if there are ways to determine which tribes or groups I descend from based on DNA.

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Nope my percentage is not off and I am specifically talking about the eastern US not out west. Yes Ishi made points of glass and I am sure some of those folks in the remote areas made them into historic times. BUT that is not the Eastern US.

The Obsidian that is recovered from archaeological contexts in Ohio and the Midwest comes from Yellowstone. I didnt say that Obsidian only occured in Yellowstone. It has been sourced through many different means including thin-sections and trace mineral analysis from sites in Ohio back to the Yellowstone quarries. Big difference there bub. You forgot Idaho, lots of lava fields there as well.

I aint blowin smoke up your tail pipe. I wouldnt comment if I didnt know what I was talking about.

As I said before believe what you want, I'll still go to work tomorrow, analyze artifacts, and get paid for doing it. But what do I know. Guess my peer reviewed articles arent worth the paper their printed on.

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Well, alrighty then...there is no way that you can learn anything more...so you can go on being snotty and arrogant.

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Guess my peer reviewed articles arent worth the paper their printed on.

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What is your name and were the "peer reviewed" articles published?

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