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a coon dog and a competition dog are totally different.

coon dog- only barks when it smells a coon,can run almost any kind of coon track,is very accurate and only trees when it knows where the coon went up.look just as good with leaves on or off.

comp dog-opens up its mouth asap.runs out fast looking for a hot track{the nose has been bred out}.hits the track and gets treed fast.most are so tree minded that they don't check themselves and are happy to be tree'n.most comp dogs do there best with the leaves on for this reason.

i have learned the hard way...you want to comp. hunt buy a comp. dog or a pup off comp. dogs.
you want to coon hunt and tree coon and see them year around, 85% or more of the trees buy a coon dog or pups from coon dogs.
a good coon dog can hold its own in the comp. hunts,but won't win all the time.a comp. dog will win in the hunts,but struggle during the cold kill season.not too many coon will be seen{cold temps,frosted/frozen ground,not many hot tracks}

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Not being rude but i dont believe that at all!!

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you said it right prostockpat there is a big differnce in a compition dog and a real coon dog

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most of you are full of crap
first off if a dog has a title it means some one liked the dog took him to town spent his money and his time in hunting the dog getting him ready for the hunts,
and for those of you who think you need a babbling fool to win your dead wrong, just shows me you all dont no what comp hunting is about,
give me an honest strike and a dog that likes to be by itself and is accurate and a pressure tree dog and i will show you a winner, no pissin on tires just go get treed with the meat,

if you want to win you have to invest time gas money
i can tell you i dont no of any wonder dogs or have ever in my 30 yrs of hunting known of any behind the barn pleasure dogs that were worth a crap, i have heard lots of bragging but when you go out with them they wont even leave your lite

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The only differance in comp. dog and pleasure dog is one gets a ride to town and the other stays on the farm. Were do you recon the rest of the litter goes that doesn't show up at the hunts?
The bigest differance in the two is what people think it takes to win at comp. I like an open mouth dog but it better not run into the dark bawling either. Al lthough they will do it every now and then when you cut them with 3 others doing it. I think the worse rule in the UK's is you can't correct your dog.

The main differance in the pleasure guys and comp guys is there are more comp guys that want an independant dog. Personaly I wouldn't have one that won't honor a dog that is opening when he doesn't have anything yet. He better go see if he can beat that sucker on his own track or leave it alone if it is on trash.

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not to knock anyone but how many pleasure hunters say the excuse i cant afford the hunts,blah,blah..but yet own ten dogs and always looking to buy a pup.local hunt entry fee $20 another $20 in gas.surely you can afford one hunt a month especially if your hound is any good.I feel like alot of people look for more excuses for there hounds.if your strictly a pleasure hunter then you wouldnt need the paper work buy a grade dog.whole lot cheaper.just my opion but then again it dont count everyones got one..lol

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Not all hounds that are not comp hunted sit at your feet. My grade bob cat dog will hunt extremely deep to find a track. I'm just not into comp hunts. I would rather hunt my dogs all night and save money for gas for hunting every night. Jmo, my walker "pleasure dog" is a performance dog. I pleasure hunt with comp hunters all the time. I know what I got, I'm nervous about someone trying to steal what I have. Just becuse you hunt your dog for fun does not mean its no good.

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All you have to do to turn your pleasure dog into a comp dog is enter it!
All you have to do to make a comp dog into a pleasure dog is take it hunting with your buddies.
This whole discussion us amusing. The dogs don't know the diff and don't care. They are the same dogs.

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you said it right prostockpat there is a big differnce in a compition dog and a real coon dog

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night hunts (most of them) are a joke now days, especially the rqe's and zones for the world hunt. i can remember when our local and other clubs drew 200 dogs. i remember willard, ohio drew 187 and 212 dogs at there rqes and with non-hunting judges and you know they put every single dog in the woods. now they have problems putting 50 dogs in the woods. i say 1992 and before if you made your dog a nt.ch. or grand nite, the dog deserved it. even when every hunt was all non-hunting judges the dog must of been good. back then the coon population was thinner (more hide hunters) and the hunts were three hours instead of two and when you got 300 minus, you were in the truck. now it's 400 minus, two hour hunts and all hunting judges, and most is afraid to take their minus. back then if you scored on two coon, you could when a hunt honestly. with alot of these babbleing strike them off the snap and slick treeing idiots that circle slick trees, how can you when against those ? how many of those dens are actually slick ? probably 80%. i think if leaves on or off, den trees or not, either way if coon is'nt seen it should be minused. plus them up when you see eyes or a body, it's either plussed or minused, no circle points !!! then you'll see who has a for real coon dog !!!

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i think if leaves on or off, den trees or not, either way if coon is'nt seen it should be minused. plus them up when you see eyes or a body, it's either plussed or minused, no circle points !!! then you'll see who has a for real coon dog !!!

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some of us its a time thing we work for a living stay out till 3am is for the birds just like 8oclock deadlines when it doesn't get dark till 9 or 7oclock deadline when its dark at 5. i like to do a drop or two and call it a night i do hunt at some local hunts but not many and only if the weather and moon are right why wast my time if conditions aren't right makes for long night and a waste of my time i do have coondogs and have nothing to prove.

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LOL most people that make this kind of statement have never had any dog ever do any winning in the hunts so they just try to downgrade all dogs that can.

I can assure you most top competition dogs will smoke your average "coon" dog on a nightly basis.

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when i go to a hunt, i'm out there during the week getting my dog ready. it's not about killing coons, but making sure him/her are in the best physical shape. and when i go there and you find out later that you got beat by the next cast by them just writing up the score card to get that first place or nt. ch. win, it kinda upsets you just a tad. thinking you are out there hunting you dog and getting it ready. i don't know about everyone else, but if i'm goin to a hunt, my dog is ready, but not ready to get beat by a cheat in the next cast. to make the hunts fair and fun like it used to be back thirty years ago, they should bring back non-hunting judges in all hunts. what it is, it's that the clubs and club members don't want to help out or help eachother. i'll say from my first hunt (1969) to about 1994, it was fun and fair most of the time. now someone tells you, "i won the hunt there the other night", you ask how many dogs were there and they say, well there was 11 dogs. WOW !!! CRAZY.................... or they tell you that they should of won the hunt with 350+, but the last cast came in with 1250+, that's even more crazy.

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That is apples to oranges. We were talking top pleasure dog to top comp. dog. Or average comp. to average pleasure. That is the only way to compare.

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Do this and all you will be doing is donating to UKC. You can donate them your money but for me, i'll keep circling honest den trees.

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do you actually think these pop up trees on a den actually have coon in them ? i can tell when my dog trees on a den before i get there and by the way he locates tells me if a coon is in it or not. ever looked in that bottom up and seen ole smiley lookin at you, or a den with a big fox squirril on the out side ? back in the day i've climbed alot of dens and seen nothing. rob fuller came here a couple weeks from kentucky to hunt, the first night we made eight trees with coon on every one of them and also caught one in a cornfield. did'nt tree on one den or slick tree. i guess when dogs enjoy actually treeing coons and not just trees, there's a difference. i really enjoy the hunts, but they need to go back the way they used to be.

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I'm not going to argue with you one bit about the old time hunts. What i will say is the past is the past and the present is the present.



Trust me my little female knows how to tree a coon. She treed all these in about 2 hours.

She trees on a den one out of about 15-20 trees but i'll be danged if I drive an hour to go to a hunt and she trees on an honest den and I get minused for a slick tree. It just makes no sense. A dog cannon win with circle den trees so why should it be punished for treeing on a den?

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ive read threw this and just shows the facts ive hunted local hunts and been to autumn oaks and all that but what it all comes down to in my opinion is can the dog tree a coon why should it matter if some people dont do comp hunts ive hunted with several people who hunt comp and dont ive had grade dogs that could smoke a grntch all i say is when the tail gate drops the ******** stops people turn coon huntin into somethin its not who cares go out have fun either you win or you lose always next time except if someones cheatin then its to the rule book haha jmo not ment to upset anyone

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I'm not going to argue with you one bit about the old time hunts. What i will say is the past is the past and the present is the present.



Trust me my little female knows how to tree a coon. She treed all these in about 2 hours.

She trees on a den one out of about 15-20 trees but i'll be danged if I drive an hour to go to a hunt and she trees on an honest den and I get minused for a slick tree. It just makes no sense. A dog cannon win with circle den trees so why should it be punished for treeing on a den?

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Well, yes you can win with circle points in UKC. While you do have to have plus points, circle points is the 4th tie breaker in UKC so yes, circle points CAN determine the winner in UKC.

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most of you are full of crap
first off if a dog has a title it means some one liked the dog took him to town spent his money and his time in hunting the dog getting him ready for the hunts,
and for those of you who think you need a babbling fool to win your dead wrong, just shows me you all dont no what comp hunting is about,
give me an honest strike and a dog that likes to be by itself and is accurate and a pressure tree dog and i will show you a winner, no pissin on tires just go get treed with the meat,

if you want to win you have to invest time gas money
i can tell you i dont no of any wonder dogs or have ever in my 30 yrs of hunting known of any behind the barn pleasure dogs that were worth a crap, i have heard lots of bragging but when you go out with them they wont even leave your lite
halfpint patty was tied up beside a barn and j.c. ellis bought her and a couple months later won the pkc world hunt with her.

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I'm not going to argue with you one bit about the old time hunts. What i will say is the past is the past and the present is the present.



Trust me my little female knows how to tree a coon. She treed all these in about 2 hours.

She trees on a den one out of about 15-20 trees but i'll be danged if I drive an hour to go to a hunt and she trees on an honest den and I get minused for a slick tree. It just makes no sense. A dog cannon win with circle den trees so why should it be punished for treeing on a den?

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Well, yes you can win with circle points in UKC. While you do have to have plus points, circle points is the 4th tie breaker in UKC so yes, circle points CAN determine the winner in UKC.

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i was in a hunt not too long ago and i had 225- right off the gate. it was leafy enought, no coon was found. the other cast members was one that tree too, they voted to minus it, i said fine. after that we ended up treeing seven real live raccoons. about the question, i've seen plenty of behind the barn coondogs that are coondogs and that can win in the hunts as well. i guess the best excuse i've heard is, "the coon crossed over"....., plain and simple the dog/dogs missed it, take your minus and go on. coons cross at times yes, but only when you're shooting at them or when they're on a fence row eating grapes or cherries, they don't just cross just to have fun. i had pet coon in my back yard in the trees and when they got to the branches that could'nt hold them, they backed up.

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a coondog is a coondog regardless whether its pleasure hunted or competition hunted if it suits the person feeding it is all that matters

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