Registered: Jul 2003
Location: ohio
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BTT sorry just can't get enough of this one...

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btt

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Registered: Sep 2006
Location: Pikeville, Kentucky
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I would love to get an answer to this question from Allen/UKC.


What is the difference between a hound of any breed and a cur. If that cur trees coons what is the difference. Thats what you look for in the hunts isn't it? Coons are the object of the hunt. Does it really matter what trees it?


I have never cried over being beat, especially if it was done fairly.

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Registered: Jul 2006
Location: Pierce City,MO
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Never seen a loeopard cur but if it will tree a coon let them hunt!A coondog is a coon"DOG" If its a dog and will tree one let them hunt.And littlewabashred is right rules are rules but i dont think he was cryin just tellin a story.They should change the rules and let them run against hounds.Maybe we would have some thing to beat all these walker dogs.LOL

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Registered: Oct 2006
Location: Kalamazoo, MI
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"And littlewabashred is right rules are rules but i dont think he was cryin just tellin a story"

Thank you. at least someone is not lambasting me over this. I think there are a few reasons why curs and hounds don't hunt together (again, i'm not saying they are right or wrong, just giving my opinoin.)

1- there would be 12 recognized breeds if they did it this way. The cur people would not be satisfied just calling dogs "curs" and rightfully so. there are man y different breeds of curs (more than the 5 or so UKC registers, but that can be discussed later) That would be very confusing for the MOH's and the people in the office.

2- the two hunt differently. in the UKC cur/feist rulebook (yes, I have a copy) the 8 minute rule for hounds is a 10 minute rule for curs. Why? because most (notice I did not say all) curs are fairly silent trailers. So the rule has to be different. If they hunted with hounds, what will they do with this rule? Make it 10 for curs, 8 for hounds. Split the difference and make it 9 for both? There are a few other rules that are different from hounds, because they hunt different than hounds. It makes it too confusing when you try to fuse the two together rule-wise.

3- History. The two have always been seperate as far as UKC has been concerned. They have a reputation to uphold just like all of you have a reputation every time you type your keys and start "correcting" someone about something you don't have any idea about. Most of us don't realize that but we do. Most of us would do better to read a post, think about it for a few hours or days and then rewrite, that way we don't make a rash statement that we may live to regret later.

Most have you can check and see that this is my first new thread I have started on this message board. I can truley say I was surprised at thye reaction I received from fellow coonhunters. I thought we would all chat and give opinions and act like grown men and women, but i was wrong for some people.

Just thought I'd say, this is why more young hunters aren't coming into our sport. This is why it will die out if we let it. When a younger hunter asks a question, we act like they are the stupidest "cry baby" in the world. When we draw a kid at a hunt where the prize is a trophy that doesn't mean one red penny in the grand scope of things, we try to clean the kids clock and break him from ever hunting again or at least entering another liscenced hunt. We all (and yes I said WE ALL, none of us are perfect, espessially not me) need to just grow up and try to help others out a little bit.

I hope we do, or the sport is going to die. Not because of anti-hunters or bleeding hearts, but rather because of hunters who know it all, and have no heart... God help us all...

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NO CURs or cross breeds we have breeds now we dont need to go back to muts!!!

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Kiethbluemoon, what would you have to say about Leopard Curs if you found out that they were one of the very first original treedogs in America? What if they were there before anyone had bonified treeing hounds? What would you say if you found out that Leopard Curs were as true blooded as most any line of any breed of hound currently endorsed by the UKC today? Would you have said the same thing? All of this is true, and in light of that it would seem illogical to make that statement. I am stating this under the assumption that you have not yet studied the history of the breed. In no way do I hold that against you. I make no assersion that all breeds of cur should be allowed to joint the ranks of the hounds but there is no great difference between the style of hunting that the leopard curs share with the hounds.
Also, for all who do not know, the Leopard Cur has to be open on track in order to be registered. Like the hounds though, there are a few that run semi-silent to silent, but as a general rule, they are an open trailing breed.
If anybody has any questions about Leopard Curs, there is sure to be a number of us checking in on this thread and I'm sure your questions will be answerd.
Kieth, if you would like to call me or ever come and have hunt you are welcome to check out my stock any time. Bring your best and we'll go worry some of the coon for a spell. I think that you'll have a fun time for sure. If you live to far to make that a practical trip I could get you in touch with a polite, nice, honest and funloving Leoprad Cur man in any state. Take care, Dan (715-265-7779)

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NO CURs or cross breeds we have breeds now we dont need to go back to muts!!!

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littlewabashred,

I was not trying to say anything bad about you or your brother, or your brother's dogs, I just think it sounds crazy that this got by a moh.

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Originally posted by keithbluemoon
NO CURs or cross breeds we have breeds now we dont need to go back to muts!!!

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Is that really true? I have always heard that for years that some blue dogs had some mountain cur in them. I never for the life of me believed it. I don't know what strain or anything, it was just something I heard when I was a kid growing up. Let me know what you meant by that if ya can.

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I say let 'em hunt if they want to, but if they want to enter the hound hunts, they have to hunt by hound rules. 8 minutes and silent dogs will be scratched. If they are good open trailing tree dogs from an established bona fide UKC recognized breed like the leopard curs (---which have always had more in common with a hound than with the other cur breeds anyways) then let 'em hunt.

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Registered: Dec 2003
Location: Noble, Oklahoma
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You can just about bet if a hound is born with Dew Claws it has some cur in it. I think David Fletcher spoke publically on this and i know a line of English dogs and some have came out with Dew Claws. Just a thought. I think this is what John Vaught is saying, we really do not know what is in our dogs. JMO, Trott.

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Originally posted by littlewabashred
Everybody is getting too carried away with this whole thing. You all think I'm just being a cry baby about this whole thing? I could care less if my brother gets beat in a hunt, its happened before, it will happen again, thats all part of coonhunting.

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Registered: Jul 2006
Location: Pierce City,MO
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How many of you guys would be mad if you had a little brother that didnt fully understand the rules and the MOH let a cur hunt against and beat by a dog that is not supposed to even be in the hunt.**** give the guy a break let him tell his story without cathin a bunch of s@$#.

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Dont know why UKC wont let curs compete particullarly if they can give a hound a run for thier money.
The same rules apply. Not sure why people are afraid of letting something else hunt against their dog.
Treeing coon is what Im interested in. Hell, my little Jack Russell would woop up on some Coon Hounds Ive drawn out with.
If you get beat, dont be bitter, get a better dog.

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"BS your saying if another hound would have won the cast you would of started this thread????? I dont think so"

You are so right. I'm glad I checked this thread to get me "straightned out." Boy, you really showed me...

No, I wouldn't have started this thread if it were a hound. No breech of rules would have been there if it had been a hound, so I wouldn't have too much to talk about. The reason I started this thread is to see what other peoples opinions about the subject matter are. Boy, I'm glad you guys wrote in to tell me my true motives. Who knows what I would have done without you.

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Registered: Jul 2003
Location: ohio
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No breech of rules? The female in heat , was that a breech? Just trying to keep up. I am enjoying this thread. It is nice to see someone kick UKC instead of me.

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Registered: Oct 2006
Location: Switzer,WV
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Sounds like you can't stand for your great coonhound to be beat by a coondog.There is a diffrence in a coonhound and a coondog you have a coonhound the guy with the leopard had a coondog.Your dog is suppose to tree coons his does tree coons.When you learn the diffrence maybe you can win a hunt.I hunt hounds and curs both and if its a good dog theres no diffrence in them.If you have own Leopards in the past you would know that they are better on coon,bear,and bobcat than they are on squirrels.

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