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BIGCASTLEDAWGS
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Control...

... I assumed it meant keeping the White markings off a ticked dog.... DOes it actaully mean that there should be more ticking then whie in the coat.....? If so It is worded poorly...at least for the simple minded, like myself
For instance.... my BT male has a "star" or a blaze... I'm not looking at him... I assumed it was to control thsoe White areas IN the ticking....
I KNEW someone or two or three would correct me...
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Give that Bluetick man a cigar!!!!!


LOL Now Sam, don't start getting like Lynn "Big Breezy" Wilson, who claims, inter alia, that breeding to the breed standards produces the best hunters. LOL Besides you are a Walker .... uh Frog Man anyway.

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I don't think he meant anything by it other than to yank the chain of the advocates for complete purity. The Gascogn types have been bred or crossed with predominately white hounds for centuries and the Bluetick crosses with Walkers is only a continuation of that practice. The recessive genes are going to emerge. My Smokey River Bluetick had some white littermates. He is as Bluetick looking as you can get.



That's him standing behind Whitey.

Indiana Boone Boy was the only "Walker" out of a litter of hounds bred by Vaughn.




No Bill, Im yankin on the chain of those who throw the "standard" out the door when it benifits them. That dog is "off" color by standard, if she was shown in a show I was judging she would'nt have a prayer.Whether or not you me or anyone else agrees with each breed standard does'nt matter.It is what we are suppose to go by, period. But it is also my personal opinion a Bluetick should be Bluetick, not black and white.Plenty of black and white dogs in the Walker breed and some in the English breed. With that said,who ever wantsto take your shots at me,go ahead.If nothing else I speak my mind.Not pickin on anyone, just my opinion.And thank god we live in a country where I CAN SPEAK MY OPINION

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LOL Now Sam, don't start getting like Lynn "Big Breezy" Wilson, who claims, inter alia, that breeding to the breed standards produces the best hunters. LOL Besides you are a Walker .... uh Frog Man anyway.


Never claimed that Bill and never will.Breed the best hunter to the best you can,but be prepared to "not reg.' off standard dogs.

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Re: Control...

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...DOes it actaully mean that there should be more ticking then whie in the coat.....?
Heather




YES

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LMAO!!! Now Sam I might have to ask Redtick about this. Do you remember him??? LOL LOL In fact I saw him on the other board bashing UKC today. Maybe I should post it over here to liven things up a little.

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LMAO!!! Now Sam I might have to ask Redtick about this. Do you remember him??? LOL LOL In fact I saw him on the other board bashing UKC today. Maybe I should post it over here to liven things up a little.



LOL yeah Jim I still have "flash backs " of "Ole Hootie" what board is he on now? PM if ya want.

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I guess PKC is about the only one he can get on.He been kicked off most of them.

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Never claimed that Bill and never will.Breed the best hunter to the best you can,but be prepared to "not reg.' off standard dogs.


Yes, but after the thread wherein it was admitted that people were actually shearing hounds to stand on the bench and that absurd opinion about the breed standard was put forth; I have kinda looked at the breed standard differently. I see it as a general standard and don't think it should be interpreted so rigidly. Besides you know my opinions on breed vs. brand.

These Clover Walkers are looking like paintings from the mid 1600s because the genes came from the Gascogn/ Bluetick breeding. Look at my Whitey, you can see Hardwood Bozo in his face. Forrestor's Sue was an outright Vaughn bred Bluetick that was single registered as a Walker and is foundation stock for the Finley River Walkers. I guess that is where old Finley River Pete got his look from?

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Yes, but after the thread wherein it was admitted that people were actually shearing hounds to stand on the bench and that absurd opinion about the breed standard was put forth; I have kinda looked at the breed standard differently. I see it as a general standard and don't think it should be interpreted so rigidly. Besides you know my opinions on breed vs. brand.

These Clover Walkers are looking like paintings from the mid 1600s because the genes came from the Gascogn/ Bluetick breeding. Look at my Whitey, you can see Hardwood Bozo in his face.



Point taken and understood Bill.However that dog is not a bluetick by todays standard.Its a throw back to the old walker blood(boy I opened a can a worms with that one LOL)You know papers only mean a tool to me.Ive had my share of the so called "genetic mud" and will again if I think/or it can get the job done.

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Re: Look at what followed me home from the World Hunt

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Added a new Tick Colored Hound to go along with my booticks.






aww how adorable. Good Lookin Pup.Glad it just happened to follow you home from world lol.

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Point taken and understood Bill.However that dog is not a bluetick by todays standard.Its a throw back to the old walker blood(boy I opened a can a worms with that one LOL)You know papers only mean a tool to me.Ive had my share of the so called "genetic mud" and will again if I think/or it can get the job done.


I will post that picture of that French hound wherein they crossed these all white females with Gascogn hounds to maintain the breed- well sort of. All the males disappeared during the French Revolution. I guess they cut the owner's heads off because they were of the landed aristocracy. LOL In any event, that good looking hound posted in this thread could pass for one of those French hounds. Here is a full blooded French Gascogn.


My Remington has more ticks than this hound, but yet this breed is the basic stock from which Blueticks came from. There has always been crosses between white and tri-colored hounds and the Gascogn. That includes Europe and here.

Did you see the Bluetick picture in the Purina ProPlan Magazine for this month?

Buckshot, I'm sorry, we took your thread over. LOL

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. Here is a full blooded French Gascogn.


My Remington has more ticks than this hound, but yet this breed is the basic stock from which Blueticks came from. There has always been crosses between white and tri-colored hounds and the Gascogn. That includes Europe and here.

Did you see the Bluetick picture in the Purina ProPlan Magazine for this month?

Buckshot, I'm sorry, we took your thread over. LOL



At least that hound has ticks.Nope didnt see that pic.And me to Drew.

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It was good to meet you and your boy at the World Championship Buckshot. Thanks for coming up. Nice lookin' pup!

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It was good to meet you and your boy at the World Championship Buckshot. Thanks for coming up. Nice lookin' pup!


Same here Todd. LOL, you had poor Allen hustling all over the place.

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At least that hound has ticks.Nope didnt see that pic.And me to Drew.


Here is a little canned history.

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Congratulations on the English Addition to your kennel!! Nice lookin pup hope all works out well with it!

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Gascon Saintoingeois

Here we go Sam I am a Walker Man. The Saintoingeois, (pure white) hound was in danger of going extinct because all of the males went missing during the French Revolution- at least that's the story. So to preserve the breed they bred them to Gascon males. Look familiar?

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YES

SHE DOES HAVE TICKING ON HER!

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Re: Gascon Saintoingeois

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Here we go Sam I am a Walker Man. The Saintoingeois, (pure white) hound was in danger of going extinct because all of the males went missing during the French Revolution- at least that's the story. So to preserve the breed they bred them to Gascon males. Look familiar?





Looks like the ticked up walkers of yester year.

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A little too much ear. The English maintain that they cannot say with certainty where their Foxhounds came from. I can, France.

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