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DonBTechler
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quote:
Originally posted by liberalcreek
Sorry, but the Obama administration said thatwas an original copy.
Why is there two versions of it and Hawaii wont tell us which one is legit??

Really?? Show us the ruling where they said that.

You never answered my question.

Why would any sane person who is a actual citizen of this country spend $1 Million dollars to keep from p[roving it beyond a shadow of a doubt?

Here ya go. Please learn how to use a search engine. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/was...ma-birth-1.html

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DonBTechler
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The court ruled it wasn't even worthy to consider. Kind of like most of your posts. Ha ha.

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Yep.............

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The court ruled it wasn't even worthy to consider. Kind of like most of your posts. Ha ha.

There is the proof ..........................The Supreme Court even thinks it is a Joke to even think such a thing................................Tim

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liberalcreek
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The court ruled it wasn't even worthy to consider. Kind of like most of your posts. Ha ha.

Is that what they really said?? I will give you a few more hours to post the truth, then i will post it for you.

Your still dancing around my questions.

How does a Citizen of the United States attend a American college on a foreign student scholarship and why does an American citizen spend over $1 Million Dollars to keep from showing their birth certificate?

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BTW Don,

Have you read the House version of the healthcare bill or are you still pretending to know what it said??

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rrs
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is there a receipt that Obama has signed to verify the million dollars spent to conceal a birth certificate???? just wondering....

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john nannemann
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irony

today obama evokes a "morality" plea on the medical care issue, the exact words of which were used repeatedly in ayn rands "atlas shrugged" as the reason for so many of the "directives". namely- quote "we are our brothers keeper". this, of course, does not extend to the "unborn". ironic, ain't it?

that's what all this really is, isn't it. instead of hollywood making the "atlas shrugged" movie their just playing it out in real life. obama is mr. thompson?

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not sure about the inference of charity-compulsion...

pull out the old websters... intellectually mutually exclusive.

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rrs
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one could have a compulsion to be charitable, dedicated to the welfare of others as means of self-satisfaction, total agape, total empathy, thus compulsion-charity become mitually inclusive, symbiotic, ind.-dep. variables.... not only a possibility-reality for some, not the norm, but can-does occur... again, somewhat confused about this analogy-reference in the context it has been used....

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rrs i have yet to understand a thing you have put.

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rrs
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tjh, sorry don't mean to confuse you, simply a look at two words-concepts-meanings-applications, no more or less....

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quote:
Originally posted by rrs
one could have a compulsion to be charitable, dedicated to the welfare of others as means of self-satisfaction, total agape, total empathy, thus compulsion-charity become mitually inclusive, symbiotic, ind.-dep. variables.... not only a possibility-reality for some, not the norm, but can-does occur... again, somewhat confused about this analogy-reference in the context it has been used....

the "compulsion" you are vaguely referring to MUST come from the INSIDE of EACH INDIVIDUAL, NOT BY FORCE IMPOSED BY ANY GOVERNMENT. IF IT IS IMPOSED ON THE INDIVIDUAL FROM THE OUTSIDE, IT IS NOT CHARITY, IT IS COMPULSION BY FORCE. thereby, mutually exclusive. i personally give to charities on a very regular basis, but i am not "forced" to do so and can say NO if I choose to.

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rrs
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john,
thanks for the clarification, personally believe we are always influenced by culture-socilization and no such thing as a totally independent or free choice, most often we are unaware of these influences.... but see your pt. of where imposition may originate etc...

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liberalcreek
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quote:
Originally posted by rrs
is there a receipt that Obama has signed to verify the million dollars spent to conceal a birth certificate???? just wondering....

Any campaign expenditures are open to the public.

The Obama campaign compensated Perkins Coie for legal services between Oct. 16, 2008 and Dec. 31, 2008 � to the tune of $378,375.52.

According to Federal Election Commission records, Obama For America paid $688,316.42 to international law firm Perkins Coie between January and March 2009.

This is the law firm who was overseeing any attempts to force Obama to produce his Hawaiian birth certifictae.

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where's the beef, this is not proof of anything.... document that the president does not have a birth certificate, that he was not born in the u.s., is not a legal citizen by birth period, demonstrate this, don't just provide propoganda-provide proof... bottom line he is the presidnet and all of the far right hate will not change it... common sense indicates that the gop would have been able to prove this if true and the president would not be the president.... accept what is, like it or not this is the way it is and will remain...

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quote:
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where's the beef, this is not proof of anything.... document that the president does not have a birth certificate, that he was not born in the u.s., is not a legal citizen by birth period, demonstrate this, don't just provide propoganda-provide proof... bottom line he is the presidnet and all of the far right hate will not change it... common sense indicates that the gop would have been able to prove this if true and the president would not be the president.... accept what is, like it or not this is the way it is and will remain...

Your true colors are showing rrs.

"Far right hate"??

Are you kidding?

Do you not remember when the Democrats accused McCain of not being a legal citizen? HE SHOWED HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE and silenced the critics. He didn't spend a $Million$ to keep it hidden. Obama tried to cover up his college transcripts that said he attended Occidental college on a FOREIGN STUDENT SCHOLARSHIP.

The left and the Obama supporters try and write this off as right wing wackos, but the truth is Obama created this mess. he is the one who refused to show his BC and he is the one with the shady past that was spent rubbing elbows with Anti American speakers and radical racist preachers and terrorists.

Obama is at fault. Not the AMERICANS who want the truth to be told.

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rrs
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lib,
always the same with you, avoid-deflect, etc... where is the truth-proof of your allegations. rather you state your true colors, which are the truth is the truth period... you have once again proven nothing sir except that you hate Obama.. the demos or whoever may have tried to discredit senator mcain were not able to do so... just as no one has been able to discredit the Obama birth cetificate- citizenship...
try responding to the message not discredit the messenger.... bottom line is that Obama is-will continue to be the president until he does not run again or is defeated in a re-election attempt, like or not-just accept it sir...

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rrs
I recently had to renew a Driver License in a state where my motorcycle endorsement had expired. I needed to produce a original birth certificate. They would not accept anything less. None of the things that Obama has released so far would have worked.
Here is my question to you.
Do you believe that I as ordinary citizen should have to produce more and more detailed information to renew a motor cycle endorsement than Obama should to become and remain the president of the United States ?

Please give me a simple Yes or No answer

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rrs
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no sir, you-I the president should all be treated the same period, with that said there is still no proof of any allegation that the president is not a legal citizen period... not advocating for Obama, but simply that no proof of the allegation that he is not qualified by birth to be president... sorry more than yes-no... sure if there was such it would be brough forward and a new president would be seated...

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quote:
Originally posted by hellcat
rrs
I recently had to renew a Driver License in a state where my motorcycle endorsement had expired. I needed to produce a original birth certificate. They would not accept anything less. None of the things that Obama has released so far would have worked.
Here is my question to you.
Do you believe that I as ordinary citizen should have to produce more and more detailed information to renew a motor cycle endorsement than Obama should to become and remain the president of the United States ?

Please give me a simple Yes or No answer

I haven't been keeping up with this thread, but your post just made me think of something.

A very well known republican Chief Justice Roberts was the one that swore in Obama as President. You don't think that as the leader of the Judiciary Branch he wouldn't have made sure that Obama was a US Citizen before he swore him in. I mean it would have been in the Chief Justice's (remember, republican) best interest to keep him out of the White House.

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rrs
The state never had to prove that I did not have a original birth certificate, I had to prove that I did.
Should the rule of law be different for Obama ?

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rrs
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jess,
also if it is proven that he is not qualified to be president based upon birth criteria he should be removed from office...

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rrs
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we should all stand the same before the law, operative item is I guess what constitutes a legal birth certificate, sure Hillary would have used this if it were a fact that could have put her in the drivers seat instead of just beinne one of the passengers
bottom line is we are beating a dead horse, not going to change now, past that, what is is and will continue to be so, all this would have benn proven before and not after the fact....
am much more concerened about what the presiden does or does not do rather than the size-color-quality of the paper of the birth certificate...

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jess,
also if it is proven that he is not qualified to be president based upon birth criteria he should be removed from office...

rrs
That's the problem with your view point. When it comes to Obama the burden of Prof falls to us. However that is not how it works when it comes to anyone else. The burden of Prof for a simple D.L. was on me. I don't see your sense of fairness in this.

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quote:
Originally posted by rrs
we should all stand the same before the law, operative item is I guess what constitutes a legal birth certificate, sure Hillary would have used this if it were a fact that could have put her in the drivers seat instead of just beinne one of the passengers
bottom line is we are beating a dead horse, not going to change now, past that, what is is and will continue to be so, all this would have benn proven before and not after the fact....
am much more concerened about what the presiden does or does not do rather than the size-color-quality of the paper of the birth certificate...

So if I were to use fraudulent information to obtain a D.L. then I should be considered a legal driver ??

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