Mule Barn
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Re: Opinions....
quote: Originally posted by mash22410
I'm not starting anything...
I don't think that GRNITECH or NITCH makes a coonhound anymore of a coonhound. I bought a gyp off of Ken last June and I have to say that she is doing very well. I'm very pleased with her and she's just shy of a year old. By the way Ken I think she is definitely coming into heat at this time (I'm sure you remember my last phone call).
Anyhow, my gyp comes from cross between Blue VIII and Star. Neither of these hounds are titled (at least not on my gyp's pedigree). But my gyp is coming along very well. She has some awesome tracking and trailing ability... but she still needs some work on staying at the tree - but she will do it. Of course we all know that this takes time, practice and patience.
But when it comes to titles, I don't think it really matters. Either a coonhound has it, or it doesn't. And no paper is going to make a real difference as to what a hound can do out in the woods. I don't know what I think about nite hunts. I bought Bailey to mainly pleasure hunt with her, but I know that if I ever decided to put her in the hunts later that she would do well based upon the good signs she is showing me now. By the way she already has 50 points towards her CH degree... and she's only been in two shows.
But I'm not here to brag. I'm not starting anything either. I guess what I'm trying to say Mulebarn is that I don't think one can go wrong if breeding into Ken's stock - title or not. I did research on Ken before I bought my gyp, and I found out that he is a very experienced breeder that knows what is going on. He is also a very honest man as well! Eventually I plan on breeding this gyp once she's older, and when I do I know that I could go back to Ken - that's is if he'll have me . But I'm not concerned whether or not a stud has tiles, or if the litter is perfomanced... I'm concerned if the cross is going to be good, and ultimately if the pair has the coonhound sense that we all look for - title or not!
That's just my friendly opinion... and I'm trying to keep it enjoyable!
Mark
Wow, Mash, that was a mouthful.
You are right, titles do not make coondogs, but people from out of state can use titles as forms of measuring sticks, because for a hound to have a title, in most cases, it means he can compete against other hounds and win, I know in some cases handlers have a big hand in it.
Like you I have some no-name pleasure dogs that I feel are pretty salty, and I am looking for something to outcross with cause my breedings are getting pretty tight, and my stock is about all vaughn bred stock, I started with dogs that I bought from elbert vaughn, and linebred them, then outcrossed on skinners rattler, which wasnt really an outcross, just a litle different vaughn blood than I had, I crossed three different females on him, then the only real outcross was tc jones blue jay dog. My breedings are getting too tight again, and I am looking for an outcross with comon ancestry, if ya know what I mean.
My pleasure dogs can win in competition, and have won in several, but I am not gonna blow on them or brag, they are just dogs.
That being said I am looking for something a little "extra", and dogs like you described your female, are nice, and Im sure she will make a great treedog eventually, but that is not the kind of dog that I am looking for, dogs that have been given a fair chance and arent sticking the tree good at a year of age, just dont have that something special for me, again not saying that there is anything wrong with her, just saying that I demand a little more from a hound, Its not average dogs Im looking for. I can consistently produce a few pups every year that I am proud of , and I am looking for a stud that throws a few goduns a year off different females, that is why I was asking about titles, that takes the hearsay out of the equation.
So again I ask, what HEAVY vaughn bred dogs are out there that are throwing some winners??
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