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thecoondawg76
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That's what I was wondering

At that then see, even though Twister isn't on a 3-gen. PED then it's like he is still on there gentically.

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NtCh GrCh "PR" Dan Langston (Has 2 wins towards GrNtCh in the hunts) ( 10yr old owner asked for me to bring him back to his home) (wouldn't sell) (Ch D8 Dozer (bear hound from all coondog stock, out of my breeding) x NtCh Music/ Kitty) (33% Fireball thru heavy line breeding the highest GrNtCh Fireball blooded hound alive, who is hunt titled )

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'PR' Atomic Fireball's Two Toes (NtCh GrCh Dan Langston x Atomic Fireball's Toes
Didn't have the deep hunt style I like but is a solid coonhound. Been treeing her own since her second night in the woods at 8 months old.

Former home of:
(Qualified for the 2011 World Hunt) NtCh. 'PR'Swann's Lonesome Red Music/ Kitty RIP (NtCh.Twister's Musical Red Huey x NtCh. Sawblade Red Reckon) RIP

GrNtCh Fireball's Jackpot Jackie, highest placing Redbone female ever, in the UKC World Hunt . RIP

GrCh. 'PR' Atomic Fireball's Little Daisy RIP (Was the highest GrNtCh Fireball blooded female in the world at the time) (Qualified for the 2010 World Show).

'PR' Atomic Fireball's Red River (Daisy x Brown's Oklahoma Twister) RIP (heatstroke)

Ch. D-8 Dozer (Was the Highest blooded GrNtCh Fireball blooded male in the world until I had the GrNtCh Twister pups from here) Was sent to be bear hunted because of his size and me being disabled. RIP

First and only sons of the Old GrNtCh #7 Historical Reproducer Brown's Okl. Twister (the #1 Producing Son of Fireball) in 15 years..

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Twister

As a 7 week old pup, he grew up in our back yard with 5 English Pointer pups, about 1 month older than he. They played all the time ( the pointers ), Twister never took part in their games. He would get to an isolated part of the yard, curl up and go to sleep. Never in his life did he exhibit the puppy traits of barking at things, chewing on things or running and jumping on you. It just seems that he was never a puppy. He grew fast, weighing 54 pounds the day he turned 4 months old. We started taking him to the woods at that age, didn't pay a lot of attention to him, just let him come and go as he wished. There were many times that he would dissappear and be gone up to 45 minutes. We would sit down on a log or stump and wait, eventually he would come in. The first wild game he ran at four months was a grinner, it ran in front of us from a musk mellon patch and he caught it quick. He mauled it to death. I showed him a caged coon at 5 months old and he really barked at it. Not the least intimidated. At 6 months of age, he treed his first coon by himself, this was on the night he turned 6 months.

He and I became buddies. I handled him every day of his life when he was a young dog, never missed a day. Never did I fail to go to him when he treed and every coon came out to him. Wish I had him all over as a young dog again. Perhaps we will come close in the future, sure hope so. He grew up to be the most consistent coon dog that I ever owned

Good luck Steve.

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Twister;

Steve,
For the record, I owned 2 different pups out of Twister! They were both out of Music, & both of them started early, were super houndy, & were nice tree dogs! As a matter of fact, I saw Darrin's
Huey dog at Ed Brown's tent at Redbone Days in I believe, Columbia City, In., & had to have one. Twister throws as beautiful a head as you will find hung on a hound! JMO
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thecoondawg76
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Thanks, Ed/okreds

I sure hope that some of these pups that will be closer than sons and daughters to the old dog may turn out to be the right kind, like he was. I sure enojoy hearing about the old dog who still is the best reproducing son of Fireball, Ol' Twister. To me knowing about each dog in a PED is about as important as the papers that accompany them. Been talking to several about this line I'm running and I really haven't thought about it until lately but I can tell a good bit about the different hounds in the PED and that I know for sure each one of the Fireball relations I have is right. This starts all the way back with my NtCh Ginger hound who was from a local bred daughter of Fireball used for competion squirrel hunts. Mr. Brown if you wouldn't mind I'd like for you to put down some more stuff about this fine hound Twister; How he came about, Training, Hunts, etc.. I sure appreciate your time and Thanks for all your help through the years, Steve

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thecoondawg76
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Hey John,

That wasn't at the 2000 National Redbone Days was it? If it was that's when I was there talking to Darrin about Huey and Ed about Jazz, both out of that same cross. Might be I even saw you there just didn't know you at the time. Yeah, people keep talking about how pretty a head this Lightin pup I have here has. I know I sure liked the Ann female I had out of him. Anything that can run in 7 hunts never loose a cast, get 10th at the BBCHA Fall-Rounup in it's first hunt at 14 months, 3rd. in the Kanas State Hunt all at well under 2yrs. old can't be too bad.
I'm hoping to have some of the same luck in this cross, as the Twister/Music cross since I am taking genetically a daughter of Rocky and crossing it to Twister. Time will tell but I can tell you one thing. If I can get just one that can wind like this Daisy female and trail like the Twister pups I had that hound is going to be one bad dude.

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Grandson of Twister

We got a male nt ch dog up here in Northern Kentucky that is a grandson of Twister on top and great grandson of Billy the Kid on the bottom.
He was not pushed hard made Nt ch. at 16 months old. He will tree many coons, looks like an idiot on occasion but he aint a liar. He aint a world beater cause he is semi-silent on track cause he likes to get close in on up. Fantastic kill dog.
We are now looking to buy a finished Fireball female and see what he will throw or work out a pup deal on a fireball female.

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thecoondawg76
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Fireball female

Well I'm afraid right now I can't help ya to much. Everything I have I'm keeping other than pups on the way and I'm keeping one or two of those too. Of course looking for that blood on this thread is probably about as good a place as any. Maybe someone else will have something you might be interested in. I also know what you are talking about on the tightness on the ground. I've talked to several people here lately that have had some problems here and there with this line not opening right away. It'll sure hurt ya in the hunts when you are constantly getting less on strike. Guess the reason I never saw that before was the female I started with was wide-open all the way around. She wasn't a babbler but if you didn't know her it would have been hard to tell what she was doing on the ground.

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Had a good run tonight...

I just got in it's now 6 in the morning. We had a round, finally built a fire, rested up and came on out of the woods. Holly, out of Daisy and Bo, treed her first one by herself tonight. It was really perfect for a young pup, of 7 months old. We were chasing a coon down a slough with the young double Kate male pup my friend has and a B&T female. So I figured I'll look along the edge to see if I can catch one swimming across to get away from the other two. Well sure nuff I caught one coming out. Well she jumped back in the water soon as I saw her and had nothing but her eyes and nose out. So Holly couldn't see her. Holly was smelling all over the bank though so I grabbed Holly up and threw her on top of the coon. The coon jumped out and about ran over me and the race was on. Holly in hot pursuit and me right behind them just in case the 15 lb. sow tried to eat her. Holly chased her for just a little bit and the coon got tired of getting bit and ran up the tree. Boy was it fun.

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A big thanks to Royce Taylor...

I made it up to Royce's on Thurs. night. I had a good time talking with him about the many nice hounds he's had and some of the Fireball bred stuff he has had too. I turned around and drove back home with the biggest female I have ever owned. Boy you talk about some long legs. She is super nice bred also and if I can get her lined out would be the bottom end of an all-grand 3-gen. PED. Her daddy is of course a nice Fireball bred hound, GrNtCh. Lash's Keystone Rowdy. Thanks, Royce and look forward to dealing with you again.

Here's the PED:

...................GrNtCh Yellow River Red Rocky
........GrNtCh Lash's Keystone Rowdy
...................GrNtCh Babb's Hazel

Haven't decided on a name yet.

...................GrNtCh Big G Farms Ice
.........GrNtCh Music
...................GrNtCh Big G Farms Pepper

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Steve you wont find a better man to deal wiyh than Royce.

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Royce

Yeah I really enjoyed talking with him. Of course I have found that is the case with most anyone I meet in the breed. You have to be pretty sorry for me to not get along with someone. I like to see what has worked for others, even in different lines, and try to use some of that same knowledge in breeding my own stuff. By looking at what Royce has had going on thru the years there was alot more pushing those hounds than would appear and for sure than just luck of the draw. He's sure had some nice ones to go with all that work too. An A1 guy in my book for sure.

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Re: Thanks, Ed/okreds

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Originally posted by thecoondawg76
I sure hope that some of these pups that will be closer than sons and daughters to the old dog may turn out to be the right kind, like he was. I sure enojoy hearing about the old dog who still is the best reproducing son of Fireball, Ol' Twister. To me knowing about each dog in a PED is about as important as the papers that accompany them. Been talking to several about this line I'm running and I really haven't thought about it until lately but I can tell a good bit about the different hounds in the PED and that I know for sure each one of the Fireball relations I have is right. This starts all the way back with my NtCh Ginger hound who was from a local bred daughter of Fireball used for competion squirrel hunts. Mr. Brown if you wouldn't mind I'd like for you to put down some more stuff about this fine hound Twister; How he came about, Training, Hunts, etc.. I sure appreciate your time and Thanks for all your help through the years, Steve

Old Twister.

At six or seven months old, I noticed he had trouble moving a track while a female, one month older than he, absolutely fired out on that track and went out of hearing. Twister continued on at his pace and came treed, down in a steep holler. When we got there, he was treed on an old tree that had blown over and fell up the side of the steep holler. The coon was not there. We tried hard to get him to move on away from this tree but he just couldn't. So we moved back to the top and was walking along when Twister came treed again. He never opened on track, just blew the tree bare of leaves. It was a den and Darrel Trammel climbed the tree and he had the coon. At this point the female came in along with Darrels dogs. We have no idea where they went or what happened. It was not uncommon for Twister to tree on lay ups or den trees with out opening on track. Other wise, he would strike and be as open as most dogs moving a track. We kept him in the woods and noticed he was getting better moving tracks. By the time he was 2 and 1/2 years old, he could drive his tracks to catch. He learned by trial and error and became an outstanding track dog. He took his tracks as they came, the cold ones he would warm up fairly quickly and be running to catch. When we moved to Illinois, he caught many in the corn fields. He was a natural born tree dog but had to teach him self to be a track dog. Normally, a second or third strike dog but it took an outstanding dog to beat him on tree. Once treed, he was there for hours.

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thecoondawg76

Steve everything going alright down your way ? Kill Season comes in tonight just another day for me.

Hows your gip doing off Light'in the ones up in PA look like there really growing they done a great job with them.

Think u might be back in Kill season ?

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Kid Rock, Annie

Got Kid and Annie out on coon and treed 3. Kid struck the second one and treed it with Annie. Kid opened and treed on all 3 real good, and if he wasnt being run on bear, Id have a very good coon dog soon. Ill have him out by himself next time. The way he ran, I have no doubt he can be run by himself. Darn good for a young pup. I am kind of limited to where I take him because besides having messed up ankle, my fake hip is now loosening up in the femur. Thats 5 operations I get to look forward to now. Having my hip replaced for a second time is something I never wanted to do. At only 52 Ive had my share of parts replaced. Deer hunting (gun) is in 2 weeks so Ill have to get Kid out before then. Headed out to the bowstand in a little while to try my luck. Will keep you posted the Kid Rock.

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Hello Eddie,

Yeah little Twisted Sister is doing fine. I just about carried her for her first time the other night with Holly. I like to take them out a time or two at around 3 and 4 months old just to get them used to being out at night more. However, I didn't take her because I was dropping off the all-grand female I got from Royce. I also would have liked to take the all-grand female but I like to keep one that's a little older around for a few weeks before I take them out so they are more use to me. Sister though has got to be one of the smarter pups I've ever owned though and that is really saying something. Daisy will go out and get the chain all tangled up. I'll put Sister out there and in a few seconds she's got it figured out and untangled. Just things like that she does all the time that I'm like wow, other than that Cade dog ( full brother to Daisy) I had that got ran over, Sister is tops so far. Boy if I could have bred her and Cade together, those things might have had some sure enough brainiac puppies. Of course I'm sure hoping for another Cade from this Twister/Daisy cross.

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Hey Dave,

Good to hear Kid Rock is doing so well. I sure hate you're having the problems you are though. My surgery, from being in Iraq, went real well this summer and looked like when I was there yours had you on the right track too. I was sure hoping things would really striaghten out for you. I know exactly what it's like to have problems preventing you from doing what you like. Sure glad Rock is working so well for ya. Good luck and take care friend, Steve

P.S. Keep sneaking Kid Rock out for those little coon hunts. It won't hurt him to bad on running those bear.

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Last Twister pups I had...Ann, Girl, Rose, and Meanie

I was trying to think about the last bunch of Twister pups I had, the other day. These are ones I was able to keep up with. We moved off and so I don't know what happened to all of them. Ann was the female I kept she went 7 and 0 in competition with some pretty big wins all under 2 years old. Needed a first to be a NtCh.

This was us at the Kansas State hunt. She would flat get gone and could run a cold track better than about any hound I've owned. She had a nose. She wasn't a 100 bpm plus tree dog but would tree at about 70 bpm or so until you got there no matter how long it took. She also was pretty well going to get first or second strike and always a first tree dog. She was fast enough on track that we even ran a grown coon down at the Kansas State hunt, while they were wide open on the track.

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Then there was Girl...

I'll get a pic up of her. A well built hound but a little lighter. She was apparently more like Twister. She would tree very early on but was having to learn how to run a track as she went. About the time I got her going I traded her off to Harry Oumedian. I had treed several coons with her by herself and she had only been to the woods like 20 times or so. I just had too many hounds. 5 that would all tree a coon was more than I could hunt, at the time. She also had a best of show against competition but was never shown after that.

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Steve, everyone I have talk to speak of how smart there pups are.The NY,&PA guys are back they got in about 5 this morning Im looking for to seeing the Light'in Pups go,litter mates to Fred they say there looking good.

Ed Brown Im pretty sure said his little gip is very smart also there making some nice COONDOGS we wish u the very best with yours I agree 100% let a pup be a pup then start hunting them as they get older Ive had the BEST LUCK waiting till there 1 yr.old them start hunting them maybe fool just a little 6-8 months old if they tree I bring them home & let them grow up a little more.

Got a call lastnight from a young man 10 miles east of me he has a light'in pup he treed his first coon lastnight all by himself ((Grant Patterson of Pinch,In)) his pup is also a real looker deep deep red & has one more JAW on him.He just loves him I DONT NEED TO BLOW ON THEM THERE SPEAKING FOR THEMSELFS !!!!!

Wish u were here to go with the guys tonight.Take care talk to u soon.

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Rose

She was owned by my uncle a long time Walker man. She was a good solid all around hound good track dog and hard treer. She was a medium red color. The only thing was she could get very deep. We were all to poor to get tracking collars at the time. She got too deep one night and he never could found her. This was before she was 1 1/2 yrs. old and so we never even got a picture of her.

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Steve

What dog is that a pic of on tailgate and what year just wandering if it was when we were at kansas st hunt

Thanks Dean

Check ur pm sent u one

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Kid Rock

was hunted alone last nite while Mike was up north (LOL) Went and treed a younger one at first then ran a tough track for about 45 minutes and put up a nice big one. Didnt shoot either one. He looked great.I dont shoot the coon on the farm, theres never alot of them and a good dog doesnt need the fur anyway. Ill get him out in the snow and see how he does then also. Got some pictures of him and hopefully they turn out. Take care and good luck deer hunting and with your new dogs.

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Hey Dean

The dog in the pic is my old Ann female from Twister and my NtCh Ginger female who had 4 wins toward GrNtCh but disappeared at a big hunt. I only saw one dog get in front of Ann on a track the whole time I had her. She was fassstttt. She died before she was two. The year would have been around 98-99 or so. Been so long now, College, Iraq and many other nights and days in the woods, I can't remember for sure.

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Send them pics

Hey Dave if they turn out I'd sure like to see em. Hopefully, this next cross will turn out as good or better. One things for sure they will be HEAVY Fireball bred. Also it'll finally free me up to hunt Daisy and finish her out in the hunts, now that I won't have to worry about loosing my blood.

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