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Fist let me say that we all know what a Theory is. It is an unproven possibility, mainly in ones mind. But once you have a Theory you set out collecting information on it and try to validate it or find it to be false. That is why I am coming to this message board.

We have way to many health issues with our hounds and two stick out in my mind as crippling issues that our dogs have. Thyroid issues and Tick issues. Because I feel to many vets and the owners of hounds have limited experience and couple that with owners limited funds. I don't think our dogs are getting the right test to determine the issue.

My Theory is the root of our problem with Thyroid conditions is starting with TICK issues. Not dog food, not wipeout hounds. Good ole, found in everyones back yard TICKS.

The experts on here probably cringe when they read some of these post and see our limited knowledge. We generally discuss one or two issues on the subject and lack of knowledge prevents us from talking about the other issues. Same with Tick issues. We discuss Ehrlichiosis and Lymne in our dogs but there are probably about a dozen all together and most never get mentioned. I have a dog here now that has a rare tick issue and has for years. It only shows up in test that cost several hundred dollars. Actually about $300 here.

How many of you have taken dogs to the vets with a tick issue and at the same time checked Thyroid. Or felt there was a Thyroid problem and found that to be true but didn't check for tick issue. I think most don't. If you did was thyroid normal or was it low also.

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The dogs that I have had that tested poitive for Erlichiosis eventually developed a Thyroid problem. I wonder how many of the Erlichiosis "relapses" are actually thyroid issues? Bruce you are right. There sure are a lot of questions and unproven theories floating around. But we have very little knowledge and don't know what is true and what is not. I also wonder how rare some of these issues are. Just because something is rarely diagnosed doesn't mean that it isn't occuring a lot.

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I have several theories one I have been researching lately is the round-up connection. There is some interesting research out there in human studies and many dogs hunted in crop country are very exposed.
You are correct in your assumption that tick illnesses can affect the thyroid there are human studies that have made the connection at least with lymes.
The thyroid gland is so sensitive with its location on the front of the throat and dogs are exposed to damage that most weren't 20+ years ago. Think of just the food aspect of GMO crops Round-Up ready, exposure in fields, the high prevalence of tick diseases sweeping the country both environmental factors. Fluoridated and chlorinated water supplies. Then you can go into how many dogs wear no-bark collars and collars with shocking ability on a regular basis both have the ability to damage the gland from trauma that is not reparable. Over vaccination has ties to many issues in dogs and I suspect in humans too. Another interesting fact is that in 40 years the sperm production rate in US men is down over 50% there have to be unknown links we are not seeing here. Population control at it's finest.

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I think the tick diseases are a real factor. The Reezen hound I had put down did not have a thyroid problem but after he got Rocky Mt spotted fever I had him checked again. Sure enough his panels came back lower. Then later on that year he had come down with erlicia and the vet said his thyroid number were even lower. I also read a study on this and it does point to tick disease.

Chey as far as the Roundup theory, I know that is causing it in humans so why not dogs. The amount of chemicals that are put in these fields is unreal. Can’t be good for these dogs.

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Please read the research I added below. Can thyroid problems be caused by the meds we treat dogs with or are the prongs on the shocking collars causing damage to the thyroid gland, hmmm?

The thyroid is a butterfly shaped gland in the neck that regulates the metabolism of the body’s cellular functions by producing hormones such as thyroxine (T4). Hypothyroidism occurs when the thyroid doesn’t produce enough T4.
Dr Jean Dodds and Dr Marty Goldstein are two leading veterinary experts in thyroid issues.
Dr Dodds states that in nearly 90 percent of cases hypothyroidism is an autoimmune disorder. According to Dr Marty Goldstein, autoimmune thyroiditis happens when the body mistakenly interprets its own thyroid gland and hormones as foreign threats. The body then produces antibodies to destroy the functional thyroid gland cells, resulting in loss of function.
Though some breeds are genetically predisposed towards hypothyroidism, Dr Goldstein says environmental factors also play a role: chemicals in medicines, flea and tick products, heartworm drugs and vaccines are all environmental triggers for autoimmune reactions.
Dr Goldstein also describes secondary hypothyroidism, which involves three glands – the hypothalamus, pituitary gland and thyroid – that work in conjunction with each other. The pituitary gland secretes TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) that stimulates the thyroid to function. But the pituitary gland gets its “orders” from hormones released by the hypothalamus so these three glands can’t work properly without proper input from the others; the thyroid might be normal, but is not receiving the messages it needs to function.
Dr Dodds warns that a tight or prong collar on a dog who pulls a lot can also cause extensive thyroid damage so using a harness will avoid injury when walking him.

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I have several theories one I have been researching lately is the round-up connection. There is some interesting research out there in human studies and many dogs hunted in crop country are very exposed.
You are correct in your assumption that tick illnesses can affect the thyroid there are human studies that have made the connection at least with lymes.
The thyroid gland is so sensitive with its location on the front of the throat and dogs are exposed to damage that most weren't 20+ years ago. Think of just the food aspect of GMO crops Round-Up ready, exposure in fields, the high prevalence of tick diseases sweeping the country both environmental factors. Fluoridated and chlorinated water supplies. Then you can go into how many dogs wear no-bark collars and collars with shocking ability on a regular basis both have the ability to damage the gland from trauma that is not reparable. Over vaccination has ties to many issues in dogs and I suspect in humans too. Another interesting fact is that in 40 years the sperm production rate in US men is down over 50% there have to be unknown links we are not seeing here. Population control at it's finest.

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I have several theories one I have been researching lately is the round-up connection. There is some interesting research out there in human studies and many dogs hunted in crop country are very exposed.
You are correct in your assumption that tick illnesses can affect the thyroid there are human studies that have made the connection at least with lymes.
The thyroid gland is so sensitive with its location on the front of the throat and dogs are exposed to damage that most weren't 20+ years ago. Think of just the food aspect of GMO crops Round-Up ready, exposure in fields, the high prevalence of tick diseases sweeping the country both environmental factors. Fluoridated and chlorinated water supplies. Then you can go into how many dogs wear no-bark collars and collars with shocking ability on a regular basis both have the ability to damage the gland from trauma that is not reparable. Over vaccination has ties to many issues in dogs and I suspect in humans too. Another interesting fact is that in 40 years the sperm production rate in US men is down over 50% there have to be unknown links we are not seeing here. Population control at it's finest.

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I had numourous tests done on my dog. I have tried many different things (including taking him off the meds completely) and in the end he stays low without meds. I had a 10 panel tick test done on him (335.00) and the labs specialist claims he has never had one of the 10 tick illnesses they test for or it would leave "markers" in his tests. I do know of several dogs that have got low levels after they have a tick illness and If given enough time after the treatment for the illness WITHOUT giving them the thyroid meds they often return to a "normal" level. Once you start to give them the pills, it seems to be a life long dependency. JMO

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I think we are trying to pin down a problem that has many different causes. We know for a fact that a tick disease can cause it, we know that it can be genetic. When I learned where the thyroid was located I asked my vet about shock collars and tying dogs back at the tree. Think about how they yank and jerk the collar tight by lunging. The more radical the dogs get the worse it is. There are dogs with thyroid issues that have never had a tick disease, never seen a crop field but almost all of them have spent hours yanking a collar tight on their neck.

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Then why the heck back in the 80's were we not talking about thyroid ? If they was sorry and acted nuts we culled them. Just give them their pills and keep breeding them hop them up on performance drugs that's were it started if you keep on breeding it your always going to have it that's a no brainer. I got more ticks per square inch than anybody and shocked the pee out of my dogs and ain't ever had a thyroid dog.

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My vet has always said Erlichiosis has a direct link to Hypothyroidism. Every dog I have ever owned with Erlichiosis has eventually been placed on thyroid meds and sometimes a B12 supplement.

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I had tick fever back in the 80's and I ain't got no thyroid problem.



It's a man made genetic defect them boys were all doping dogs just like they are were toning and shocking and doping them recently pull random drug test on handlers and dogs at the hunts you will find out a lot they don't care if it messes up their breeding ability they want to win $$$ I bought one that won it all pretty sure he was done that way. Keep on giving them those sissy pills and breeding them that will fix it lol !

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Tar with some it skips the thyroid and goes straight to the brain.

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Tar with some it skips the thyroid and goes straight to the brain.

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It's a man made genetic defect them boys were all doping dogs

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Oh my goodness, there is another "theory".

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Oh my goodness, there is another "theory".

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My mother never had tick desease but she had to take those sissy pills for hypothyroid. Do you think that she was "doped". Since you think it is all genetics, maybe I should go and get tested.

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Ok you gonna make be serious instead of joking around Richard I probly in my lifetime have had my hands on thousands of dogs yes I might have had one but if wormer , clean water , good food , and hunting did not fix them I culled them. I have known people that had it yes they took the pills and it helped but that's a human being. We are talking about an animal somthing that if you are going to hunt , win, and breed to keep for yourself or sell your surplus pups you should not breed dogs with this genetic fault there is only one way to diminish this disease.


When a pack of wolves surrounds a herd of buffalo in nature they pick out the one that is the weakest and cull it ensuring the strongest in the herd survive.


Mee thinks so.

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Tar you are "old school". Culling is not politically correct anymore. Dogs are supposed to be a "a member of your family" now. My wife went to the Pound to get a little dog a while back. They insisted on saying that she was adopting the little mongrel. She had to fill out "adoption papers" and be approved. Then I had to pay a $150 "adoption fee". It won't be long before you need a lawyer to get a pup. If they have a medical problem, you must treat it. They wanted to know the name of our family vet.

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Oh I have had about 5 dogs in my life that I would have spared no expense on one was a 14 yr old chewawah named nacho there is a 16 yr old corgie named tracer right here by my chair and granny is 11 yrs old , Macie her sister was 9yrs old , deacon their daddy was 10 yrs old. I can be an old softy too lol.

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What are the symptoms? I have a dog that had ehrlichia, still shows on the test and was told it always will. He hunts hard, good tree dog and don't seem to tire

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Bruce let's bring this to light you own a dog out of a famous litter all of them got thyroid in that litter I guess the same tick bit all of them and one of them is sireing puppies that have it I guess they were tick bit too !!

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people are doping dogs in the worlds greatest sled dog race to win .just last week i read where the race directors are going to start testing dogs for doping . if you dont think at 3oo $ entry fee paid out 4 nights a week to get a dog qualified for 30 grand prize nobody doping dogs you are naive . would we see a decrees in thyroid issues in our hounds if the big winners were tested and disqualified for doping ? maybe maybe not . until they start pulling blood to test before giving out the big check we will never know !

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I had tick fever back in the 80's and I ain't got no thyroid problem.



It's a man made genetic defect them boys were all doping dogs just like they are were toning and shocking and doping them recently pull random drug test on handlers and dogs at the hunts you helps dogs that have a low will find out a lot they don't care if it messes up their breeding ability they want to win $$$ I bought one that won it all pretty sure he was done that way. Keep on giving them those sissy pills and breeding them that will fix it lol !

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Joey we got to talk in private on this one lol. I know where yours got his steroids was what they was giving them with a little go go with it to handle the double cast night after night that's why you would see them win , win,win then go flat they would drop out dial them back in get the juice right and go back at it !!


And they still are go to pulling blood you'll see.

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