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ok here is one and it actually happened, Dog a strikes for 100 dog b strikes for 75 dog c 50 and dog d for 25 they are running red hot we try and keep up best we can on fairly deep creek we are across creek and see they all 4 have coon on ground. by the time we get over there the coon is dead and dog b and c are chewing on it. But dog a and dog d are moving down the creek, again and get treed. Now the whole cast is at the dead coon arguing about what to do about d and c . The owners want to plus the caught coon and they also re struck and treed dogs d and c. with out ever handling them! So tell me how you score it.

i say score it as seen all dogs had the coon on the ground strike points plus call time out and delete d and c give them one hour to catch there dogs

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If they are going to get credit for the caught coon they have to be handled at it just like being handled at the tree jmo.

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Did they tree a&b on down the creek? If so handle the two at the coon and go score the tree.

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Did anybody tree any dogs on caught coon?

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From re reading it sounds like nobody gets plus on caught coon because no dogs were handled there. The dogs didnt need to be struck back in since none were minused tree or strike and all thats left is to score trees in order they weere treed and go on with the hunt? I just dont know why the last two at the coon werent handled? And why the would have struck back in if the strike wasnt scored? This is a doosie!lol

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I would think they all should be plused on track, if it would of been a possum they should all get minus or scratched

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If none of the dogs were declared treed (on the caught coon) what reason did you move in for and shine them across the creek? As I read this that is precisely when the issues began.

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I would think they all should be plused on track, if it would of been a possum they should all get minus or scratched

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The judge should have just scratched all the ones arguing and hunted the rest of the night alone!lol

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Maybe Jim needs to answer this one.

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Originally posted by rob thompson
Maybe Jim needs to answer this one.

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Bet Jim wanted to jump in but caught himself scratching his head just a bit wanting to be "sure" before he speaks.

Am I close Jim?

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What gets me is if you tie your dog at a tree and it breaks its lead and leaves its minuses right? So how can the last two at the dead coon receive plus strikeif the aaren't handled. I stand behind leaving the strike alone and scoring the trees. But the two that were struck in again should not have hat to be re struck. If he wasn't handled the 8 didn't get him and he didn't come in. So he is still carrying his strike points right?

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I think this one depends on how the judge rules as to which dogs are being plussed strike points for catching the coon. If the judge only plussed B and C, then A and D would be scored for their tree assuming they were properly called treed. They definately cannot be scored on both caught coon and tree, it is one or the other.
The fact that the judge saw all four dogs catch the coon tells me he should have plussed all four on strike and called time till A and D are handled then cast all four and start time.

Any arguing was most likely a result of the judge not making a simple decision right then and there because once the judge makes his decision, there is nothing more to argue about. If you don't agree, you ask for the cast vote and then put your question on the card if you don't agree with the cast vote. Any arguing beyond that point means you pick up your dog because your hunt is now over.

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I'm satisfied.

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Id think ud plus the strike points on the 2 dogs that stayed wit coon. And since u werent to tree yet before the other 2 left then minus them for leavin tree. Then retreed them wen they went down the creek and treed. Id adsume

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Id think ud plus the strike points on the 2 dogs that stayed wit coon. And since u werent to tree yet before the other 2 left then minus them for leavin tree. Then retreed them wen they went down the creek and treed. Id adsume

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O sorry. I thought they were goin in because they were called treed

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Im confused bout it. Maybe its just me. But are u mixin up ur b and d's? And u really shouldnt be movin in that close to the dogs and shinnin em i would think. i know i hate when people shine their lights at my dogs down thru the woods. Unless they are called treed. If u never came up on em then the 2 that went and treed before u came in then itd be a different story. Cause then those 2 woulda been treed while the other 2 guys were lookin at theyre garmins wonderin y theyre dogs are stayin in one spot not treein.

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It is proper for the judge and cast to move in and shine dogs when they are suspected of have a coon caught or in a place of refuge because no tree call is required to score those situations.
This is different from PKC where a tree call is required to score dogs in a place of refuge. That can really bite you in PKC because dogs in a hole will often bale when a light hits them which gets you minused the tree points in PKC while it does not hurt you in UKC because no tree call was required.

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If you where scoring it by what you saw the dogs should of been scored before you crossed the creek. But I don't think you can score any dog that's not handled. So plus the strike points of the two dogs handled with the coon and plus strike and tree for the other two.

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The two at the caught coon were never handled.

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If they are not handled they get nothing I think. If they were handled. Plus strike. Recast em to other dogs. Unless other 2 are already treed.

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I don't understand what the confusion is? All dogs handled at the caught coon have their strike plussed. The two that left do not and will now have their tree scored.

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None were handled they left on their own and the last two were re struck without being handled!lol craaaaaazy hunt

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I don't understand what the confusion is? All dogs handled at the caught coon have their strike plussed. The two that left do not and will now have their tree scored.

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