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Ok so I've had the score card 3times now hunting against the same dog that is a babbling tool how do I call that dog for babling I've tried and tried but he arguesit every time that I can't prove it what can i do

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Best way to solve problem us find one that out coontrees him.

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You don't have to prove it. It isnt possible to prove or disprove babbling. All you have to do is say the dog is minused. Then that is the end of it unless a majority votes to overrule you or the MOH ovrrturns you. That simple.

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You don't have to prove it. It isnt possible to prove or disprove babbling. All you have to do is say the dog is minused. Then that is the end of it unless a majority votes to overrule you or the MOH ovrrturns you. That simple.

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Can't u beat him?he must be treein raccoons or u would have no problem minusin him

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You are spot on BUT there is a option the handler of the dog you just minused has is there not?...... ?.........

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When they are all doing it it's like you are wasting your time if yours is not doing it your the odd man out there's more that do it than don't now days drives me nuts !!!

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Originally posted by H. L. Meyer
You are spot on BUT there is a option the handler of the dog you just minused has is there not?...... ?.........

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When do you go back to the master hounds for a question on the card. Only for scratch offenses right.

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Originally posted by yadkintar
When they are all doing it it's like you are wasting your time if yours is not doing it your the odd man out there's more that do it than don't now days drives me nuts !!!

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make them cut loose across an open field on the way to the woods sounds like another meltdown coming

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only under certain conditions is it required for a majority vote! scratching a dog for babbling not sure if its one of those. the prob with the judges is they think just because its a hunting judge you have to have a majority vote!! on all calls!! UKC you don't!! jmo

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Minus the dog if he questions it he has to call for a vote. But by the way I read you don't have to go with the vote you can still minus the dog. He can leave the question if not satisfied. Arguing and stirring trouble are scratchable offenses.

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What you mean he doesn't have to go with vote. Where you read that at lol..

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
What you mean he doesn't have to go with vote. Where you read that at lol..

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Like most calls made by a hunting judge, it doesnt go to a cast vote unless it is questioned.
There are, I think, three calls that are always a cast vote with a hunting judge Scoring the tree, calling timeout and returning to a previously scored tree. Everything else is up to the judge and then can be questioned and put to a vote by any cast member.

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this is why everyone needs a advisor chapter 10 were not all judges explains it well

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from what i gather,,,its not the babbling dog thats the problem,,,its the judge that don`t have the gonads to minus him!!!!!

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But back to pa.nitehunters original question, "how do I call that dog for babbling? I tried and tried but he argued everytme that I can't prove it. What do I do?"

At the expense of sounding harsh, the fact is that not everyone has the self confidence nessesary to carry that card. You can be honest, forthright and the best dog man out there but if you back down from an argument, you will be useless as a judge. Again, allow no argument. Make the call, poll the cast if asked, put a question on the card when requested. Beyond that, the only next thing in line is to send them to the truck for stirring up trouble. The good news is you will only ever need to do that once or twice.

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from what i gather,,,its not the babbling dog thats the problem,,,its the judge that don`t have the gonads to minus him!!!!!

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My only question is if the dog is getting treed in a reasonable amount of time.If hes barking out 60-70 yards and stops thats babbling.If he is barking out the same distance and getting treed 3or 4 hundred yards they aint much you can do.I agree he is probly babbling anyway you look at it but if hes getting hooked theres nothing you can do.There is a big name stud dog that i want mention that starts barking 10 feet out and dont stop but he always gets on the wood so what can you do.Not much besides score him.

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My only question is if the dog is getting treed in a reasonable amount of time.If hes barking out 60-70 yards and stops thats babbling.If he is barking out the same distance and getting treed 3or 4 hundred yards they aint much you can do.I agree he is probly babbling anyway you look at it but if hes getting hooked theres nothing you can do.There is a big name stud dog that i want mention that starts barking 10 feet out and dont stop but he always gets on the wood so what can you do.Not much besides score him.

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In your answer to my post your first sentence says it all. THAT WASY MY POINT Two options and only two Poll the cast that is one option and or put a ? on the card the other option period. Now that is all you can do about this situation there are other options available to the judge if the handler wonts to shine his hinnie.

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Originally posted by JiM
Like most calls made by a hunting judge, it doesnt go to a cast vote unless it is questioned.
There are, I think, three calls that are always a cast vote with a hunting judge Scoring the tree, calling timeout and returning to a previously scored tree. Everything else is up to the judge and then can be questioned and put to a vote by any cast member.

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Sometimes it's not that easy of a call to tell if a dog is babbling most times its obvious. If your not in the cast how would u be able to score it?99 percent of the time the master of hounds goes with the judges decision. What if it's the judges dog is babbling? 100 percent chance he's not going to minus his own unless he is honest. We all run into these problems out there and I believe there is a simple fix. Strike em all in for the same amount. May the best team win.

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