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Ok we just read 2 play by plays @ 2 prestiges hunts .


A dog was carrying strike points for over an hour before any other handler could strike in above that dog that was holding its strike position.
Even thou 2 trees had been "scored" in under an hour.
Yet by today's 120 min. rules we have to wait till the hour passes to get above that dog holding "strike".
In my opinion after the "second"tree has been "scored".... (Plus, minus or circle)....key word being "SCORED"......useing today's (90) minute hunt time,we ought to be able to go above that dog that is holding up strike points even if its under 1hour hunt time.

We've shorted these hunts up by 30 minutes....yet we r still playing by 120 minute rules.


This is not meant to offend anyone or anyone's dog. So plez don't take it there!!!

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One set of strike points is all they should have anyhow. Every thing goes back in for 25. All that other crap makes stuff to complicated. I didnt know we could have 90 min hunts either.

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I guess I missed something, where did the 90 minute hunt come from?

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That's what Final 4 hunt at oaks

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how many remember the 3 hr hunt, I think the 2 hr works pretty good. Why does everyone always wanting to change things that work just fine.

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I like the striking back in for next available... It keeps it from bein like $kc where a dog that strikes quick and runs all night having more advantage

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how many remember the 3 hr hunt, I think the 2 hr works pretty good. Why does everyone always wanting to change things that work just fine.

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I remember three hour hunts well...everyone believes all these nite champions and grand nites are happening because of low attendance. Yeah, okay...go back to three hour hunts and see if that don't slow 'em down some.....I don't care how few dogs show up at a hunt, you can get a whole lot of minus points in that third hour. You can also weed right thru those "flash in the pan", young fireball dogs, especially in thin coons.
That was also back when an all grand pedigree was impressive...now it's expected.

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3 hour hunts with the leaves off how many dogs of today would show up ? not many I expect scratched for first slick tree made in hunting time would cut down on all the all grand pedigrees we see to day and when you made a grand night champion you would have a coon dog on the end of your chain

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The biggest thing to hurt the hunts far as attedence goes is there are just to many hunts !! The several big hunts that we used to look forward to such as the Texas state hunt and ada Oklahoma just are not the same any more back when these hunts were big you prepared your dog to compete for 3 hrs and you had to have plus points to win anything !! Really now how much do you have to prepare to go out there with a mouthy, tree happy dog for 60 to 90 minutes and be absolutly way to lieniant with the rules the $$$$ hunts has caused that and when the leaves get off they will still circle those trees !! Jmo

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There is nothing stopping any club from scheduling 3 hour hunts. Silver Lake (Ind.) had one last year. Once UKC starts allowing 90 minute hunts to all clubs, 2 hour hunts will become as rare as 3 hour hunts are today.

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There is nothing stopping any club from scheduling 3 hour hunts.

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Well, you are just wrong Jim.

If a club schedules a 3 hour hunt and EVERY other club around still has 2 hour hunts where do you think everyone is going to go???? Path of least resistance.

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I may have missed something but I believe Jim was trying to say just that.

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Don't bother Robert. A couple weeks back I pointed out that he was wrong on a rule question and his backside has been beet red ever since. Now he spends his days trying for all he is worth to catch me in a mistake as if I never make them.

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I may have missed something but I believe Jim was trying to say just that.

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Jim, I heard you "thought" you made a mistake once......after getting all the facts it turned out you were just Mistaken. Just fueling the fire. I for one appreciate all (or most) of your answers when it pertains to rules questions.

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I'm follower of JiM and Elvis, that's why I think it should be the "Dear Mr. Elvis and JiM" help column

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I'm follower of JiM and Elvis, that's why I think it should be the "Dear Mr. Elvis and JiM" help column

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I was at the very least partially responsible for the scheduling of that 3 hour hunt. There were indeed people that stayed away from it because it was a three hour hunt, and there were others that came and participated for the same reason.

There quite literally is nothing stopping a club from scheduling a three hour hunt, I'm afraid you are wrong. They may CHOOSE not to, there is nothing stopping me from stepping in front of a speeding train....other than the consequences of doing so...so we weigh our consequences against the benefit, make a decision and act upon that decision....

The fact remains that we still hold the "free will" to do as we see fit, at least for the time being...until big government takes away ALL of our ability to choose.

As for me, I will hang up my competition light and boots when we do away with 2 hour hunts and make them 90 minute hunts......seems the younger crowd, the one hour hunt guys that are packing "first strike" dogs are all in favor of less hunt time.

The simple fact is that there are way too many hunts today, and we all want it to be "easy".....We value the win, and discount the effort that was expended for the win. Wins are cheap, and in reality they are EASY....and like a heroin addict, we want them to become EASIER.....

I'll tell you how to make winning hunts very, very, very easy....get a real coondog. One that will win in 3 hours hunts, 2 hour hunts, 90 minute hunts, or one hour hunts.....A dog that goes hunting, strikes HONESTLY, only when there is a coon to be treed, can actually move a track from origination to where the coon is. Do away with hunts in the summer, and make them ONLY in locations when and where there are no leaves in the tree. All trees with leaves and den trees are simply deleted....make it about treeing real live honest to gosh GAME.....and see how successful what you have on the end of your leash will be.....

Be honest with yourself....do you want it easy, or do you want it done right?

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....do you want it easy, or do you want it done right?

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Apparantly everyone does not have the same definition of "done right". That is probably why we have all of these discussions. I don't know about the hunts up in Indiana but around here in Tennessee everyone wants to go to 90 min hunts because they don't have enough hunting spots for a 2 hr hunt. It doesn't really have that much to do with making it "easier". And I don't think that you would find anyone around here that thought it was "easy" to win a UKC hunt with plus points.

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Apparantly everyone does not have the same definition of "done right". That is probably why we have all of these discussions. I don't know about the hunts up in Indiana but around here in Tennessee everyone wants to go to 90 min hunts because they don't have enough hunting spots for a 2 hr hunt. It doesn't really have that much to do with making it "easier". And I don't think that you would find anyone around here that thought it was "easy" to win a UKC hunt with plus points.

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Guides just don't have enough drops to hunt 3 hrs. It is hard enough to find spots for 2 hours.

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Guides just don't have enough drops to hunt 3 hrs. It is hard enough to find spots for 2 hours.

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How could a guy that doesnt have enough hunting spots for a 2 hour hunt own a coondog?

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