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Went to a hunt Saturday night had a female and 3 male in the cast 30 min in the hunt we could tell that my male was hanging around the female she looked swollen even judge said she didn't look right so the judge started to watch him turn them loose they ended up treed had a coon both dogs other dogs split release again dog running down a lane judge still watching my dog he raised he's head judge scratched him I ask for a ? On the card called time out had to handel our dog's walked up hill 20 yards female standing there looked at my gramin my dog was a 125 yard's hunt was over Master of hound he refused to look at her he said my hunt was over but n my opinion my ? On the card keeps it a live she should have been scratched for been in heat or she had and infection either way she should have been scratched Master hound refused WHAT YOUR OPINION

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Like most situations, I'd have to have been there and saw just what took place before I could form an opinion of just what went on and if it was bad enough to warrant actually scratching anybody. But if it was causing enough problems to warrant a scratch, I'd say if 2 of the 3 males were paying her no mind but 1 was really bothering her then the male would be scratched. If 2 of the males were bothering her then it'd be pretty obvious the female was the one that needed scratched. I know I took my Abbie female to a RQE one night, after she went out of heat. 2 males locked on to her right out of the truck and chased her around the truck-quickest $30 I ever lost in a hunt! lol

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That wasn't my ? Mike I put a ? On the card I wanted the Master hound to look at her judge said she didn't look right but sent she wasn't bleeding he wouldn't scratch her Master hound refused to look at her he said my hunt was over the card was handed in if that true why put a ? On the card if time up Link never try to mount her just run beside got scratched and hr and half in to the hunt the other two more worry about getting slick treed then a female

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If there was a ? on the card then there should have been a cast vote right? Was there, and if so how did it go? I really don't think a MOH could or should make a ruling in that situation based on how the female looked-I think it would depend on how it was affecting dogs in the cast and he wasn't there to know that. I know that would be my question to the cast members if that ? came back to me. I doubt I'd be willing to look at the female either as I don't see how I could determine if she was interfering with the other dogs in the cast by just looking at her. Though I'd like to hear others thoughts on the matter as well.

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Herbie, the MOH can't make a decision based on his opinion of what the female looks like. Instead the MOH's decision should be based on what the rules say to do for the scenario that took place in the woods. Rule 6(d).

In other words, a female could actually be in full blown heat and if it attracts no other dogs in the cast then no dog should be scratched.

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Mike, you're logic is spot on. No reason for you to look at the female because it should have no bearing on your decision as the MOH. Your decision should be based on the scenario they had.

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BUT ! If a ? is put on the card with 10 min. left to hunt on a scatchable affence should time have been called??

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BUT ! If a ? is put on the card with 10 min. left to hunt on a scatchable affence should time have been called??

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If there was no vote there was no ? to be heard.

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BUT ! If a ? is put on the card with 10 min. left to hunt on a scatchable affence should time have been called??

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I took my female to an RQE. She was due to have pups was about three weeks along. Drew three males my female trees the other three back her one male pushed her off the tree trying to ride her. It was seen by all three I took minus we scratched the male dog. Guy question it I walked my female in front of the other two to show the guy it wasn't her. He still throws a fit my judge takes us back to club. Master of hounds asked to look at my female I get her out and show him he said she's not in heat. I ended up winning cast but if this is the case why would master of hounds ask to see my dog. This was at Greencastle RQE two years ago.

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I dont understand the question.

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Someone else answered "yes"

Rule 7 {A thru F} regarding calling time out is pretty clear...where is this other rule that says you call time out to discuss an issue?????

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Anytime a :? is placed on the card that involves a scratch, timeout is called and the cast returns to the club for a ruleing by the MOHs.

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I took my female to an RQE. She was due to have pups was about three weeks along. Drew three males my female trees the other three back her one male pushed her off the tree trying to ride her. It was seen by all three I took minus we scratched the male dog. Guy question it I walked my female in front of the other two to show the guy it wasn't her. He still throws a fit my judge takes us back to club. Master of hounds asked to look at my female I get her out and show him he said she's not in heat. I ended up winning cast but if this is the case why would master of hounds ask to see my dog. This was at Greencastle RQE two years ago.

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Please tell us where it says to call time out...or which rule or page you are getting this from. I get when a scratch involves a question you go back to the MOH, but I see nothing saying to call time out.

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Please tell us where it says to call time out...or which rule or page you are getting this from. I get when a scratch involves a question you go back to the MOH, but I see nothing saying to call time out.

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the time out is a no brainer. How can you return to the MOH without having time out called? Sometimes in this coon hunting world, common sense goes a long way.

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the time out is a no brainer. How can you return to the MOH without having time out called? Sometimes in this coon hunting world, common sense goes a long way.

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This is why people don't attend more hunts. Can't agree on the right call if one dog is bugging another female all night other two males hunting he's gone there's your comon sence And your not looking at my female. Your not a vet or do you have the ability to run test to she if she coming in or just went out.

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You may be right but I don't agree that time has to be called anytime a scratch question is in the card. First of all, returning to the MOH immediately isn't mandatory, you only go back if there is enough time to do so and still complete the hunt. Calling time out right then requires that every other dog in the cast is stopped dead in there tracks, their strike points deleted and any coon they are about to tree is wasted just because someone puts a scratch question on the card, no matter how stupid that question might be. If I'm judging, we call time and go back when there is a break in the action where timeout does not screw the other dogs in the cast. I'll do otherwise when some one from UKC tells me to.

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? Was why can't a Master hound go out and look for himself my dog never stop her from hunting just followed her around for 20 min I think she had a infection the 4 guy in the cast got scratch for shinning his treed before we got back a young man didn't no the rules 10 min later I got scratch the judge never came back to the club they treed together no trouble other dogs where split score tree only coon seen

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You may be right but I don't agree that time has to be called anytime a scratch question is in the card. First of all, returning to the MOH immediately isn't mandatory, you only go back if there is enough time to do so and still complete the hunt. Calling time out right then requires that every other dog in the cast is stopped dead in there tracks, their strike points deleted and any coon they are about to tree is wasted just because someone puts a scratch question on the card, no matter how stupid that question might be. If I'm judging, we call time and go back when there is a break in the action where timeout does not screw the other dogs in the cast. I'll do otherwise when some one from UKC tells me to.

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Jim if time isnt called immediatly and the scratch is later determined to have been wrong how could the MOHs remedy the situation? The dog hasnt had the opportunity to hunt his 120. You may as well just not allow a scratch to be questioned because there would be no remedy.

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? Was why can't a Master hound go out and look for himself my dog never stop her from hunting just followed her around for 20 min I think she had a infection the 4 guy in the cast got scratch for shinning his treed before we got back a young man didn't no the rules 10 min later I got scratch the judge never came back to the club they treed together no trouble other dogs where split score tree only coon seen

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