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Looking for rule on dog being scratched for being handled during hunting. Example: dogs cross a road and one handler catches dog and leashes it. No time out called. I can't find rule.

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I was looking the other day had the same deal couldnt find it anywere.

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The dog has to compete for the entire 2 hours or it's scratched. How can it be competing when its on the leash?

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Only thing i see is 6l for use of any device used to control dog prior to cast completing hunting time.

i guess a leash is a device used to control a dog. but thats all i can come up with.

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6T doesn't come right out and describe your situation but It kind of covers it by leashing a dog that's hunting you've interfered with it.

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In the old rules, it was 4(e). It isn't in the new rules that I can find.

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I guess a judge could indeed scratch you for that. I know I was at a major event once when my dog came out into a black top road while a car was approaching. I dove on her and the judge said "I'm not going to scratch you but I could as you really need to ask permission before handling your dog". I told him at that point in the game, I'm not asking anybody anything-I'm getting my dog out of harms way. Any "rules" violations I will worry about and address later!

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Had same situation at the AKC world a few years back. Dog was treeing on a leaning tree then barking over the edge of a 25 foot cliff with dogs down below him barking. Every time he would bark over slate rocks were falling out from under his feet and the edge was breaking away. Judge said he wasn't satisfactorily treeing because he would step off tree and bark over cliff so he minused me. Judge said I couldn't handle him. I got agitated and just grabbed him and pulled him back from the edge before he fell and a cast member started hollering to scratch me because I handled him. the judge scratched me. Wasn't worth losing a good dog over an ignorant judge and cast member.

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Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
The dog has to compete for the entire 2 hours or it's scratched. How can it be competing when its on the leash?

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Originally posted by rthompson
Only thing i see is 6l for use of any device used to control dog prior to cast completing hunting time.

i guess a leash is a device used to control a dog. but thats all i can come up with.

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Originally posted by JiM
I don't think that one does it, if it did we would get scratched every time we lead our dogs to score a tree.

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Originally posted by rthompson
Only thing i see is 6l for use of any device used to control dog prior to cast completing hunting time.

i guess a leash is a device used to control a dog. but thats all i can come up with.

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His track points should be minus for calling his dog off trail, if he was struck in. He should be instructed to recast his dog. Maybe a forum moderator could answer the question on scratching. I think there's a couple of rules to cover it if the dog is not re-casted after being minused.

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Originally posted by RLenhart
That rule states specifically before hunt time is "completed"
I take it to be pertaining to electronic devices, (e'collar or TT10/TT15)

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Is the dogs best interest not first and foremost? If a dogs in danger, then why should you have to ask permission to help it.

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It would be an implied scratch. anytime the rules are broken it's an implied scratch or a minus depends on what was done. once dogs are cut they cannot be handled until treed or come into tree or on time out.

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Curt Airing scratched me and another handler once for handling my dog at a tree before he said I could. 8 minutes to go and I was leading the cast. So I suppose it can be done.

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I didn't see anything in the original question about danger. Not sure if it was left out, or just not a factor.

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Originally posted by Blusk25
Is the dogs best interest not first and foremost? If a dogs in danger, then why should you have to ask permission to help it.

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Originally posted by Harry Middleton
His track points should be minus for calling his dog off trail, if he was struck in. He should be instructed to recast his dog. Maybe a forum moderator could answer the question on scratching. I think there's a couple of rules to cover it if the dog is not re-casted after being minused.

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Originally posted by Bob Hennessey
Example: dogs cross a road and one handler catches dog and leashes it. No time out called.

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What if the dog hasnt opened? Do you start the 15 while its leashed? The dog shouldnt be handled is my opinion. if you are worried about the dogs welfare by all means withdraw and handle your dog!

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Originally posted by Harry Middleton
I didn't see anything in the original question about danger. Not sure if it was left out, or just not a factor.

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sounds like cast members should have asked for a vote to call time out before dogs got to road. garmin map card shows roads and creeks and should have been able to see this potential danger. let alone guide should have known dogs approaching roadway to give cast a heads up.

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Blusk25 not a problem. It's a good post though. He's definitely minused
If he was struck in and then handled without the ok from the judge. He should then be instructed to cast his dog to any other trailing dog. If he refuses to do so I would say his dog is no longer a participant in the cast. Call it a scratch, withdrawal or whatever. I don't think the option of putting the 15 on him is appropriate. He can't just cast anytime in 15 minutes that he chooses. If you're not comfortable with the hunting ground and the guide says it's ok to hunt there, then you gotta suck it up and withdraw your dog. There may be more to the scenario, but I don't know.

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