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What makes the difference in mountain feist and treeing feist if your dog is not registered.

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Well you touched on a heated debate, some see no difference and others do UKC AND NKC Both register them As separate breeds UKC has a breed standard for both. An easy identifier is the ear pricked (MF) verses flopped or hanging (TF). So be it here comes the battle.....

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Don't believe the theory about the ears.... I have two mountain feist both are from the same parents ... Both parents have stand up ears...and one of mine has stand up and the other has bent ears.

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The pricked ears or tipped ears are a breed standard for the MF, or a preferred trait but both have great dogs regardless as long as it's a feist sorry cur guys just prefer Feist

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Well you touched on a heated debate, some see no difference and others do UKC AND NKC Both register them As separate breeds UKC has a breed standard for both. An easy identifier is the ear pricked (MF) verses flopped or hanging (TF). So be it here comes the battle.....

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I hope that people do not take everything you say to heart!

If it has prick ears it is a mountain feist and flop ears a treeing feist,i will keep my eyes out for that one and i guess if it has a bob tail it is a mountain feist and a long tail it is a treeing feist and if it walks like a mountain feist and barks like a mountain feist and looks like a mountain feist it must be one i recon.

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Like I said it's a quick Identifier... if you believe that you are on the wrong boat and they are mountain feist in your MFA and registered as mountain feist that would DNA to elk hound and cur more than feist but they do have prick ears so they must be mountain feist then!! go take you a look back at most of the old stock that all the feist dogs come from years ago and see how many had prick ears before that they crossed in the rat terrier and manchester in the feist to give them prick ears most were flop or crop at best,, HOW MANY YEARS HAVE YOU BEEN BREEDING AND RAISING MOUNTAIN FEIST ??

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Their is no such thing as a pure bred anything....... That doesn't determine if it's a breed.... If you DNA most/all breeds their linage will trace back to another breed! How do you think any breed started GOD dropped two of each breed on the earth? Breeds are developed by people perfecting preferred traits of other existing breeds to develope new breeds (color ears size hunt etc, their is no pure animal on this earth but that does not make them not a breed look of the definition of what a breed is. DNA verification is based of of the foundation sample. And I've been breeding tree dogs for 20+ years, and one last thing the MFA doesn't register dogs we are a people based membership who is doing well, we leave it up to professional dog registries like UKC and NKC and both recognize the MF as A BREED.

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With all that you just posted about nothing being pure and traits and foundation dogs etc where does that prove that a prick ear dog is a mountain feist and a flop ear feist is not?

And i never asked you how long you had had tree dogs thats a big gap in the dog world i asked HOW MANY YEARS HAVE YOU BEEN BREEDING AND RAISING MOUNTAIN FEIST ??

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With all that you just posted about nothing being pure and traits and foundation dogs etc where does that prove that a prick ear dog is a mountain feist and a flop ear feist is not?

And i never asked you how long you had had tree dogs thats a big gap in the dog world i asked HOW MANY YEARS HAVE YOU BEEN BREEDING AND RAISING MOUNTAIN FEIST ??

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Well first you own Cur/Hound mixes is what you stated before! So why are you even responding/ interested in TF MF or the MFA? second I have been hunting MF and TF for about 4 years, I AM NOT A BREEDER NOR DO I TRY BEING! And the reason Why I identify the MF as a pricked ear besides the fact that their breed standard state that. And that me and a large majority see the flopped ear to be a resesive hound/cur gene that is hard to breed out where the majority of MF that where considered MF that was a more MOUNTAIN reg developed breed stayed closer to the terrier breed hint the pricked or tipped ear. And if you see no difference then you shouldn't be concerned and continue as you where.

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I never knew they past a law that you could only own one type of dog,yes i have dogs here with feist,cur,hound in them but if you go back and read far enough you would know me and my brothers have hunted and kept feist since the 60s that is a hair longer than 4 years and you ask why am i responding about feist dont make me laugh,i have seen my share of people like you trying to reinvent the feist game over the years and i wounder what you will be hunting 4 years from now.

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I hunted hounds and curs and one fiest in the 60 that tells me you and I go back a few years I still have one cur but my sq dogs are feist and will continue to hunt feist as long as able to Sq hunt I respect you for what you hunt, don't understand why it bothers you what the feist guys are doing,seems like every post is made by a fiest guy they are wrong what they are doing .I have hunted against some good curs and have some good friends owns curs.We all are Dog people why knock the other man Dog or what they are doing why not try to get alone and promote our gun Dogs the gov are trying to take them from us anyway.

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No one is trying to recreate anything lol I believe MF TF where here before me
And you! Your attempts to insult or constant negative remark
Only show what your true agenda is, and it's a shame 55 years later in the feist world what have you accomplished for these breeds? I'm not trying to make a name for me I MADE place for guys who share my views who some have been in it longer than you and are well known breeders, and some are brand new! and I assure you one thing this is here to stay! Get use to it cry complain fight it, have at it your constant remarks only shows it's a threat to your way of thinking. Good luck seems it's paying off for you lol

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I hunted hounds and curs and one fiest in the 60 that tells me you and I go back a few years I still have one cur but my sq dogs are feist and will continue to hunt feist as long as able to Sq hunt I respect you for what you hunt, don't understand why it bothers you what the feist guys are doing,seems like every post is made by a fiest guy they are wrong what they are doing .I have hunted against some good curs and have some good friends owns curs.We all are Dog people why knock the other man Dog or what they are doing why not try to get alone and promote our gun Dogs the gov are trying to take them from us anyway.

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Sir I don't know you (your name isn't on here) I have never claimed to know what leg my or your dog hold up to pee! I do thank you for your reference of being a kid, and I would assume by your 60's reference you are my senior, so I will attempt to afford you the curtesy you have failed to show me, I never claimed to be the all knowing of MF or TF and that is what you assumed then I assure you that you are incorrect, what I am Is a grown man who seen a need for organization in the breeds as I was involved with hounds for many years! I created a group for people who shared my (IYO) little knowledge and ability to Organize a group (very successfully I might add, and to have the largest hunting KC recognize our breed, while my members and I gathered 7?? People in little less than a year and a half! who also created the first ever breed standard for a MF, while the whole time not wanting my Name mentioned for it or with it.... So sir regardless of what You think of me I have been a hunter of tree dogs for 24 years now and successful in the hunts and hound groups... You may not like what I've done or am attempting to do but many do...

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I can remember as a young boy my Dad got me 2 pups that he said were feist and said if I would hunt them they would make good sq. dogs and he was right they did..These pups ears were flopped when he gave them to me and said their ears would stick up when they were older.It did not matter to me whether they were up or down at that point as long as I had me a dog to hunt with.I have no idea what they were out of but one was black and tan and the other was red and white and a bit smaller than feist today..My Dad got them in Clay Co (KY) from a man he worked with in the coal mines.I'm 65 now and I was about 5 at that time so there were dogs with stand up ears at least 60 years ago..

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Mr Rosenbarger, I am not trying to bash the MFA or even what you have done in getting it off and going best of luck with it and i dont have anything against you personally but you just try to lay to much junk on the table at one time that you and i are never going to see eye to eye on because a feist and cur will never be anything other than a type of dog and not a breed in my lifetime and they are not any difference in a mountain feist and a treeing feist it is the same dog a mutt made up of other breeds.
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Mr Rosenbarger, I am not trying to bash the MFA or even what you have done in getting it off and going best of luck with it and i dont have anything against you personally but you just try to lay to much junk on the table at one time that you and i are never going to see eye to eye on because a feist and cur will never be anything other than a type of dog and not a breed in my lifetime and they are not any difference in a mountain feist and a treeing feist it is the same dog a mutt made up of other breeds.
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Go look up the definition of feist....small mongrel dog...mixed up....mutt. enough said.

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Where did treeing feist come from always heard them called mountain feist.

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Where did treeing feist come from always heard them called mountain feist.

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lsnt the difference in a mountain feist and treeing feist is a Treeing feist will actually go get hooked and bark up? But i dont know,

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The same thing happen when the OMCBA started getting together.There is no pure feist or cur or walker,there are several Sq hunters that likes a small dog so some of the hunters have got together with UKC and set a standard to Reg them as MT feist I want to thank UKC for doing that.I have ben around long enough to know what a feist is so I don't need to read what some one that prob never owned a dog thanks a feist is,I don't consider my dogs to be muts or mongrel dogs as I have put many hours in my dogs I was taught many years ago not to look back try to look fordward it's not where you have been it where you are going,so that is our int now on the MT feist if you want to join The Mt feist group we would be glad to have you,the one's don't that is fine but try to have fun with your dog,what ever color or size it is because that is your dog and your decision,hunt and have fun Earl

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