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Use to be a common practice around my area when a lot of dogs "WERE NOT" tight tree dogs to walk a coon down while holding your light on the coon and let your dog watch it coming down.
Many a time the coon would come down the trunk and leap off the last few feet right into the dog.
This was accomplished by "Knicking" the coon and squalling like crazy.
Friend of mine had a young dog that just was not cutting it as a tree dog. After doing this a few times he turned into a real nice up on the wood stay put tree dog.
Curious to see if anyone still tries this method or even in the past and what your results were?

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Have walked several down just low enough for young dog to see, BUT never tried to do it enough until the coon would jump. I feel it makes a young dog try to find tracks going away from trees instead of thinking about getting treed. If coon coon are scarce in your area, it might help fire up a dog, but if coon are plentiful, I just think it makes a dog want to track too much instead of getting hooked. JMO Take care, Ron.

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I was partners on a young dog that as far as I was concerned was worthless and needed culled. Our old dog would be running a track and it would scratch out a bed in the leaves and go to sleep. he was 12 months old and one night we walked him into a tree that had a sow and 3 small kittens in it. The sow was running up and down the trunk of the tree squaling and the dogs. It turned that dog on and he went from nothing to treeing coons every night like an old dog.

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i had a 11 month old cur pup years ago that didnt understand that coons climbed i dont reckon.he would get all excited and beside his self when the dogs treed but never would bark up. i would put the lead on him and pull him up on the tree and encourage him to tree but hes treeing by scent on a tree instincts wasnt develop yet.so one night my dogs treed a coon and i went to squalling with my mouth trying to get it to look cause i couldnt find it and before i knew it i saw a big coon headed down the tree,i grabed that pup and pointed his head where i was shineing the coon while i was on my knees with him,he finally saw the coon and went to blowing the top out and his eyes were all bugged out. i didnt kill the coon cause it was out of season and figured it had kittens,but it made him understand that them coons will climb. i also believe no matter what you do if a dog aint bred to be a coon dog he aint going to make one no matter if you walk a 100 of them down.

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Wow, Lots of looks and only 3 replies. I thought a lot more guys tried this over the years.
I know conditions have to be just right.
With all the new squallers that are out and claims they will make coons jump out .....

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More than likely most feel like this isn't something that should be talked about on an open forum this day and time.

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Yes, I've done it and it can work. It can be a powerful motivator. Nuff said on this topic, lol

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Wow, Lots of looks and only 3 replies. I thought a lot more guys tried this over the years.
I know conditions have to be just right.
With all the new squallers that are out and claims they will make coons jump out .....

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Msinc......
if yer 53 and aint squaled one or seen a buddy squal one out by now ya probably wont.
usta be alotta guys did that around here back in the 80's.
yeah, seemed to trigger some young dogs and turned the light on for em.
BUT , over time my strong belief is that the natural best crosses will tree on the scent wether they ever see a coon or not....
but those hounds are the small percent.....

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You must not have ever owned a TBall coon squaller hahaha

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You must not have ever owned a TBall coon squaller hahaha

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Ive squalled several out over the yrs. You can usually tell if one will squall out. It has fire in its eyes when you see it Plus I jave one here that needs one walked down to him. Maybe 3 or 4 I think.

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Use to be a common practice around my area when a lot of dogs "WERE NOT" tight tree dogs to walk a coon down while holding your light on the coon and let your dog watch it coming down.
Many a time the coon would come down the trunk and leap off the last few feet right into the dog.
This was accomplished by "Knicking" the coon and squalling like crazy.
Friend of mine had a young dog that just was not cutting it as a tree dog. After doing this a few times he turned into a real nice up on the wood stay put tree dog.
Curious to see if anyone still tries this method or even in the past and what your results were?

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Msinc
What's the difference in squalling one out and walking one out? JW

I squalled one out a couple weeks ago...pure luck cause I didn't mean to it just happened..first one ever

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What's the difference in squalling one out and walking one out? JW

I squalled one out a couple weeks ago...pure luck cause I didn't mean to it just happened..first one ever

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Depending on hunting pressure, I'd be willing to bet I could squall 1 coon in 10 down most times of the year. Certain times I could do significantly better than that. It's always surprised me when people say it can't be done, or even that they've never seen it done.

I haven't carried a squaller in years, and can regularly get them down with just my mouth. There's a certain science to it. You want to tie the dog back, the farther the better, keep your light low and avoid putting the beam directly on the coon. The secret is to take a bushy branch and really stir and slap the leaves on the ground in conjunction with your squalling to mimmic a fight. When you get him to move, up the intensity and don't stop once he's coming. Once committed, they'll usually come in a run and jump the last 8-10 feet.

You want to be careful doing this in your regular hunting holes, because you can make a coon where he won't hardly tree. Can mess a dog up, too. I've had some dogs want to start bouncing everywhere and looking soon as I got to a tree thinking a coon was gonna jump out at and minute...

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Well, squalling one out is when you do it with just the squaller and the noise it makes. Walking one out is what they don't really want us to talk about...that's when you use a 22 for enticement instead of a squaller.

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I get it now...thanks. hot lead will make anything move...lol

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I really don't get this "shouldn't be talking about it" thing...I mean which one is worse???

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If you want to "talk" about what you do and don't do, fine, but don't put it in writing on a public forum, to be used against ALL of us, by anti-propaganda.

Most law makers have no problem with hunting, as long as it's ethical and humane... you can kill an animal, just don't needlessly wound it. And if you accidentally wound it, make every attempt to dispatch it quickly. But writing about wounding an animal on purpose, is unacceptable.

The antis get to those that know nothing about hunting and paint THEIR picture of the sport, that describes it as cruel and inhumane. That's what they do and we're not likely going to stop them, but I for one would rather not hand them them the paint and paint brush!

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I agree with David, some of the stuff said and pic's posted are just more ammo for the bleeding hearts to take to the bill makers to aid them in passing anti laws. The world has changed and hunting is no longer a way of life as a mean to survive. So people who have never stepped into a woods do not understand why anyone would do any harm to an animal. That's just the way they see it. Since they do not have hobbies to take up there time such as hunting they spend there extra time trying to help these poor defenceless animals. David is trying to save our sport before it is too late. If it wasen't for people like him standing up for what we all love we wouldn't be able to free cast a dog today. Instead of fighting him, we should all be thanking him. You don't have to agree with his training views or style of dog he hunts but we all should agree on one thing and that's doing our part to save our sport. JMO And thank you David

Side note, I do not know David I have never met him over even talked to him, so this isn't a stand up for your buddy post.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by msinc
I say again...."Sick, stupid people are going to complain and make as big a deal out of anything they can no matter how we hide it or sugar coat it..we are coon HUNTERS...what do they think we are going to do with a raccoon, feed it, worm it and give it a rabies shot?????"

The first mistake is believing we give them the paint and brush...they have had those items for a long time. The second mistake is believing we can take those tools away.... [/QUOTE


Let me help everyone understand by a recent example, where the ammo or "paint brushes" were handed to the antis by houndsmen! The hunters and biologists in the great lakes region (MI, WI, MN) are battling for the right to control the wolf population, through hunting. And they did have a season, until the HSUS filed a lawsuit. Control and management of the population, through hunting is the right thing to do, but it also allowed for houndsmen to protect their dogs when wolves would viciously attack them without provocation (other than being in their "area"), which has happened countless times.

So... while houndsmen and others were trying to combat the right to hunt wolves, and defend that it's NOT a legalized form of dog fighting, a couple fellow houndsmen posted a video on YouTube, where they purposefully wounded a coyote so that their young dogs could "scrap" with it, and video taped the whole thing, including stating exactly what they were doing and why! AND NOW, coyote hunting is also under review and additional scrutiny. And that very same video is being duplicated on all the antis websites, as proof that we ALL do this as a legal way to hold dog fights!

So respectfully, I believe you are wrong... they've had brushes and a willingness to lie and exaggerate, but they didn't have hard "proof" until some folks started documenting and video posting exactly what the antis wanted to hear. Hanging out on this forum, has at times been like a kid in the candy store, for them!

And by the way, out of interest to maintain my property and the ability to tree coons for years to come, I have wormed and flea dusted raccoon before I release them! I'm not a tree hugger, I haven't done this a lot and I have harvested countless coon, but I figure I can't do that, unless I have a healthy population of raccoon.

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I agree "we" all need to probably be careful and filter what is said in an open forum like this. BUT, I am so tired of being careful what I say in this so called free country. If you are gay, illegal alien, anti-hunter, or non-Christian you can voice your beliefs as loud and open as you wish. As I stated, I agree in being careful, just think it's a shame to have to worry constantly about if some cornball is going to concern himself/herself with my business and beliefs. Us hunters keep reminding each other to be careful all the time. I'm just tired of it....

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