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I've got a question. And I'm not trying to be funny or put the breed down in any way. ( the best dog I ever owned was a bluetick and in my opinion competition hunts are NOT the final say on EVERYTHING good about a coondog or not). I've just got a question. How many years has UKC been keeping up with World champions ? How many years has there been a world hunt ? 30 ? 40 ? I don't know. A lot. There is only 7 breeds of hound and that's if you count the Leopard's. But yet its almost always a walker that wins. NEVER a bluetick. Never. Not ONE SINGLE TIME. In all those years. That even defies the law of average yall !!!! My question is , what are the chances the blueticks ever win it ? Unless someone makes an outcross into another breed or something. All the blueticks are doing is mixing and matching the same ole blood with the same ole genes that have always been there right ? Does the talent level even exist within the bluetick breed to get the job done ? In other words are the ingredients even in the kitchen to begin with ? What famous bluetick hound from years ago do the bluetick breeders have to look back on and say " well , if we could get that dog's genes back then we would have a chance to win the world hunt . " How could they say that unless it was before the world hunts started ? What do yall think?

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I've got a question. And I'm not trying to be funny or put the breed down in any way. ( the best dog I ever owned was a bluetick and in my opinion competition hunts are NOT the final say on EVERYTHING good about a coondog or not). I've just got a question. How many years has UKC been keeping up with World champions ? How many years has there been a world hunt ? 30 ? 40 ? I don't know. A lot. There is only 7 breeds of hound and that's if you count the Leopard's. But yet its almost always a walker that wins. NEVER a bluetick. Never. Not ONE SINGLE TIME. In all those years. That even defies the law of average yall !!!! My question is , what are the chances the blueticks ever win it ? Unless someone makes an outcross into another breed or something. All the blueticks are doing is mixing and matching the same ole blood with the same ole genes that have always been there right ? Does the talent level even exist within the bluetick breed to get the job done ? In other words are the ingredients even in the kitchen to begin with ? What famous bluetick hound from years ago do the bluetick breeders have to look back on and say " well , if we could get that dog's genes back then we would have a chance to win the world hunt . " How could they say that unless it was before the world hunts started ? What do yall think?

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a little luck and a blue could have won in 2014! it just wasn't meant to be. genetics are there.

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I was quite impressed with the little Bluetick female on the Final Four cast this year, she was a dandy

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When the numbers for finalists from the walker breed is almost 3.5 times more than any other breed I would take those odds any day. The 2014 breakdown is as follows (as long as I counted correctly)

Entered Chances
59 - TW 56%
10 - BLU 9.5%
14 - B&T 13.5%
17 - ENG 16%
1 - PLT 1%
4 - RB 4%
0 - ALH 0%

Total -105

Give me those chances all day on a walker and I would take them.

I believe its more the shear number of walkers being campaigned versus any other breed.

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I'm not color blind when it comes to dogs but I think the over breeding of the blue dogs is a big problem for the breed. If you look through all the Facebook dog trading pages, they are full of non registered blues or blues that aren't finished. There are way more blue dogs on there than anything else. Why are people breeding non registered hounds at such a high rate? It can't be good for the breed.

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I've got a question. And I'm not trying to be funny or put the breed down in any way. ( the best dog I ever owned was a bluetick and in my opinion competition hunts are NOT the final say on EVERYTHING good about a coondog or not). I've just got a question. How many years has UKC been keeping up with World champions ? How many years has there been a world hunt ? 30 ? 40 ? I don't know. A lot. There is only 7 breeds of hound and that's if you count the Leopard's. But yet its almost always a walker that wins. NEVER a bluetick. Never. Not ONE SINGLE TIME. In all those years. That even defies the law of average yall !!!! My question is , what are the chances the blueticks ever win it ? Unless someone makes an outcross into another breed or something. All the blueticks are doing is mixing and matching the same ole blood with the same ole genes that have always been there right ? Does the talent level even exist within the bluetick breed to get the job done ? In other words are the ingredients even in the kitchen to begin with ? What famous bluetick hound from years ago do the bluetick breeders have to look back on and say " well , if we could get that dog's genes back then we would have a chance to win the world hunt . " How could they say that unless it was before the world hunts started ? What do yall think?

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Sheep, are you carrying the torch for the long lost John "Jimmy Larkin" Vaught?

All BS aside, I don't have anything to offer for an answer.

I know the numbers thing has been beat to death. No one ever questions why those numbers are the way they are when the rules to qualify & advance in the World Hunt are exactly the same for all breeds. I am of the opinion the numbers are the way they are due to not enough of the right kind of Blue dogs getting entered up. Nobody can say for sure what the reason is for that. My thoughts, there are just simply not enough of the right kind that exist to be entered.

These thoughts & a worn out dollar bill may get you a cheap cup of coffee somewhere though

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Not starting an argument but a few years ago they had an all blue world hunt and there was no winner... I agree the one that could win is tied up behind someone's barn...

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Not starting an argument but a few years ago they had an all blue world hunt and there was no winner... I agree the one that could win is tied up behind someone's barn...

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We have a local guy here named Bobby Small who has top notched Blueticks, that are very capable of winning. But like anytime you have to have some luck like the guide, area, weather etc.

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A cross bred will win before a blue dog. I use to think about 10 yrs ago. The young gun blue hunters would change the breed. Well I think they quit hunting. The blue breeders are an mean bunch. They want breed to ol so in so dog thats a coondog cause he aint their line of hound. Want breed caus hes to small. To small a head. To big a head. To slick. To hairy. So they just breed the same ol stiff that aint been working gor 50yrs. You take those top shelf blue females to top shelf blue males. Regardless of looks and heritage. Then you'll be getting somewhere. Not until then. Thats why a cross bred will win before a blue dog. I have friends that hunt blue dogs. Forget the genes. Breed for a coondog. When you get the older breeders to see that. You may win a couple.

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A cross bred will win before a blue dog. I use to think about 10 yrs ago. The young gun blue hunters would change the breed. Well I think they quit hunting. The blue breeders are an mean bunch. They want breed to ol so in so dog thats a coondog cause he aint their line of hound. Want breed caus hes to small. To small a head. To big a head. To slick. To hairy. So they just breed the same ol stiff that aint been working gor 50yrs. You take those top shelf blue females to top shelf blue males. Regardless of looks and heritage. Then you'll be getting somewhere. Not until then. Thats why a cross bred will win before a blue dog. I have friends that hunt blue dogs. Forget the genes. Breed for a coondog. When you get the older breeders to see that. You may win a couple.

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Im with Ga dawg. Im young I did some winning and I moved on from the breed because of the "bluetick men". Arrogant butt holes for the most. Not all but most. And they all have the best and really they have nothing.

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That excuse is old.Should be considered a antique.
Coondog is a coondog.Only gotta beat 3 dogs to move on.
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I think the blue dogs are going the right direction. I don't see much of the booticking a track anymore. There are breeders that wont look outside there line.

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WELL!!! I Think A bluetick will win the UKC World hunt.. I came very close myself 2years in a row. But yes the numbers are against us and I say that because you do need luck to make it to the final round and the more walker dogs that are there the more luck they have a chance at. I feel my bluetick can and does compete with all breeds. As fare as narrow minded breeding we have never bred to the same stud dog twice and have travel great distances to further our hounds abilities and know many others that doe the same. I do believe that there will be great dogs come from the crossbreed program. I am not trying to stir S*#T but how many times do you see the big time handlers winning, If you don't think that some of the crap some of these guys pull in the hunts don't help there chances of winning your crazey! I have drawn BIG time handler that have been very good to hunt with don't get me wrong they are not all bad. But look at the one ones that have been cought cheating and then look who they are hanging with at the hunt and compare those folks with how much winning thay have done. Its amazing what the totals will be. The dog I LIKE to hunt all week is also the dog I hunt on week ends. I don't think we are beeting are self up breeding the same old stuff to the same old stuff I just think we are breeding to the stuff we like. Sorry if I offended someone but just one of those days

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We drew one of them few years back Mark..go figure he's won a world hunt lol..
I think there's a couple blue dogs capable but not many..I also agree that there's to much jealousy in the breed and to much cliquey stuff..obviusly Marks not one of them and very good chance that's why he's seen in the winner circle more than most..

Wanna play the % game?
We can use Mark V..he's placed high in the world hunt more than once and placed in A LOT of big hunts PKC and UKC..you don't see him following cliques or lines..
How many others have placed like Mark that are part of a clique?
There's some %s for you mathematicians to figure out..
Now look at the other breeds with less % of dogs at the world and figure out why there's other breeds that have won it with less % of dogs there than bluetick? Pretty sure Blueticks have the 2nd highest percent every year!

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i saw someone said most coon but i think a fair amount of the time it's really the most trees. now that isn't an insult to anyone or any breed it's simply the way it is. how important is it to win the world hunt anyway?
after all a blue just won the winter classic! no leaves!
they can and do win! so they are breeding the right kind of dog if that's the measuring stick!

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People saying how other bluetick breeders bash are 100% correct. I have a litter mate to a blue dog that won the breed at Westminster this year as a 1 year old. When we posted a pic to the Bluetick Facebook page to congratulate my friend Kendall, all people wanted to do was bash her dog and say how it wouldn't hold up in the woods... All jealousy and ignorance. Grown men getting on there bashing some young girl and her dog saying how it wouldn't hold up in the swamps they hunt 6 nites a week yada yada yada. The post on the page had over 100 comments in 2 days of people knocking one another over the breed! Absolutely ridiculous!

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There is definitely something to be said for the odds...and I can see both sides. If that many more walkers are entered in a hunt there is a way better chance one of them will win...but, as already posted, any given dog only has to keep on beating the other three in his cast to get the job done. When you break it down like that all it takes is one, so the total number entered doesn't really matter. It only takes one.
If you go back and look at the overall big picture all the breeds had their "time"...for the last several decades it has been the Treeing Walkers "time." Prior to that, in the past, for a great many years the Redbone's had their 'time" and that came to pass. So, I have to say that what goes around comes around and eventually the blue dogs will have their "time." One will win the UKC world hunt...it's just a matter of time.

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i saw someone said most coon but i think a fair amount of the time it's really the most trees. now that isn't an insult to anyone or any breed it's simply the way it is. how important is it to win the world hunt anyway?
after all a blue just won the winter classic! no leaves!
they can and do win! so they are breeding the right kind of dog if that's the measuring stick!

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People saying how other bluetick breeders bash are 100% correct. I have a litter mate to a blue dog that won the breed at Westminster this year as a 1 year old. When we posted a pic to the Bluetick Facebook page to congratulate my friend Kendall, all people wanted to do was bash her dog and say how it wouldn't hold up in the woods... All jealousy and ignorance. Grown men getting on there bashing some young girl and her dog saying how it wouldn't hold up in the swamps they hunt 6 nites a week yada yada yada. The post on the page had over 100 comments in 2 days of people knocking one another over the breed! Absolutely ridiculous!

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There is defenitly a difference in bluetick breeders and walker breeders. No doubt. I think a way higher percentage of bluetick breeders are focused more on looks than walker breeders.

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