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Seems like it's a growing issue in dogs here last couple years . Before a year ago I hardly ever heard hounds getting cancer . Since then Bear died of cancer at 11 and my old cord female is loaded full of cancer right now . I also know of about 6-7 other dogs of people I know ... That have died of cancer.

What's causing it?! I'm blaming the dog feed . Jmo

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every good dog i have ever owend has died of cancer, i have had 2 vets. tell me it is from smelling fertilizer and herbacides and i have lost at least 10 or more to it.

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I have noticed this for the last 15 years or so, seems more and more dogs are getting it.
I think it's the dog feed, the chemicals used on the crops and fields, the chemicals we treat our dogs with, the water they drink ( city water ).

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Probably from using tobacco.

I've seen it around here for over 20 years

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I still am blaming the feeds . Seems like hounds don't get much over 10-11 these days . The last one I had to live long was the Bart dog ...14.5 years old and died in his sleep and didn't look a day over 7. Seems like now adays it's some sort of health issue/cancer

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I still am blaming the feeds . Seems like hounds don't get much over 10-11 these days . The last one I had to live long was the Bart dog ...14.5 years old and died in his sleep and didn't look a day over 7. Seems like now adays it's some sort of health issue/cancer

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Look at ppl! Seems like half the human race has cancer as well.

Sad. I think its what is put into our food as well. It takes just a few weeks to grow a hatchling chick to one ready to butcher. They put so much crap in their feed so they grow fast.

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Don't think its the feed either.
We got a 18yr old chocolate lab,thats never been hunted.

I gotta lean towards what our hounds "suck up"threw there noses.Like posted above farmers use pretty harsh chemicals now;weed killers,fertilizers and etc. that are being put on fields we hunt along every spring.Inhaling it is the best way to get the deadly chemicals into their "body".Kinda Like humans with drugs,snorting it.

Not to mention what we give our hounds;Flee and tic prev.,Heartworm prev.,Thyroid pills,7 dust,etc.
None of those were never needed back in the day.There not good for the dogs liver to break down all the time either.

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Its a proven fact that pesticides cause cancer. Then we go out and put it all over our dogs to kill fleas and ticks. How many times do you think we have cut a dog into a bean or corn field that has been sprayed that day and we don't even know it?

I sprayed pecan trees for 8 years some of that stuff we were not allowed to go back into the orchard for 72 hours afterwards.

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I agree with feed and all the chemicals they are using today...

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UKC had an article in bloodlines several years ago that talked about some of the preservatives in dog foods that where cancer causing I haven't been able to find that article again but if memory serves me BST and BSA were 2 of the preservatives to avoid. Maybe Todd,Allen or Paul can find that article and post it somewhere

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Dwills cancer can be caused by a number of things and or a combination of. Carcinogens are one of the things that we can prevent. Carcinogens can be found every where, hence the big push recently on organics, and other food trends.
I live in the Chesapeake bay water shed and spend numerous days on the Susquehanna river fishing. I have read countless books and studies on our water ways.
Basically the bottom line is this, our economy and big corporate policies always have and always will take a front seat over environmental issues. On a more positive note our waters are much cleaner and healthier then they were 30 to 50.
It may sound over the top but if you are concerned, I would consider using bottled water, or installing a reverse osmosis filtration system in you water supply. Especially if your water is coming from a river systems of sorts. Rivers are always more polluted then lakes due to the constant runoff and outdated sewer plants. Reservoirs and lakes as a whole tend to be much cleaner.

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We have well water . Live in the country . I don't buy into the organic scam , because I am a farmer .

This is totally streaming off topic ... But china purchases the big majority of our corn and soybeans. We do not produce enough organic corn and beans to supply the "organic" cattle farmers of the US . China is te largest grower of "organic" corn in the world .. In which we(USA) purchase .. Here's the kicker ... China has also the highest polluted soils, air and water of anywhere else in the world, which is no better than anything GMO if you ask me . I just don't buy into organic , if everything was truly organic , we would all starve to death because crop disease and insect damage

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We have well water . Live in the country . I don't buy into the organic scam , because I am a farmer .

This is totally streaming off topic ... But china purchases the big majority of our corn and soybeans. We do not produce enough organic corn and beans to supply the "organic" cattle farmers of the US . China is te largest grower of "organic" corn in the world .. In which we(USA) purchase .. Here's the kicker ... China has also the highest polluted soils, air and water of anywhere else in the world, which is no better than anything GMO if you ask me . I just don't buy into organic , if everything was truly organic , we would all starve to death because crop disease and insect damage

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I know of 5 or 6 farmers, that died of cancer this year, none smoked tobacco, all were big healthy men, they all had one thing in common, they raised corn and soybeans. All put the chemicals, on their crops, all are dead today, i went to ones funeral this week 63 years old cancer in the lymp knodes, he lasted a year, after being diagnosed. I've lost two females this last year, to cancer, i lay it on the flea chemicals, but if you don't use something, the fleas, will eat them alive.

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Chemical hysteria!!!! Chemicals are deadly. Chemicals are bad.

Guess what? Many chemicals come from nature. Heck, many are derived from plants themselves.

The most simple definition of cancer is the abnormal rapid growth of cells. Many factors can affect our systems that control cell growth period.

There are many different issues with cancer, and different kinds of cancer. Do you know that many cancers have a genetic link or predisposition? Look at breast cancer, it definitely has a genetic link.

The study of toxicology tells us that a chemical exposure alone isn't what makes it dangerous. It is the dose.

Guess what alcohol is poisonous! Does that mean that having a beer every weekend is going to kill you? Nope.

Fact is the air quality, water quality, and pollution in general are below the levels of the original Clean Air Act and Clean Water Act set as goals, but you won't hear it due the the liberal environmentalist.

MHO is that as many diseases are cured and eliminated cancer is a by-product of aging or just plain unhealthy behaviors conducted by those living longer.

Fact is you can't take a complex problem that has so many different variables, and make it fit in a neat peg hole.

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I still am blaming the feeds . Seems like hounds don't get much over 10-11 these days . The last one I had to live long was the Bart dog ...14.5 years old and died in his sleep and didn't look a day over 7. Seems like now adays it's some sort of health issue/cancer

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Chemical companys, since the 1920's don't have to put down, the inert ingerdents, in their, flea products, it's big bucks. They sell the stuff, they don't care, they are in it to make money. The stuff, is already in the meat you eat, in the water you drink. It takes years, to get it out of the soil, that's why, if you sell your products, that has no chemicals put on it in for certain number of years, you get more for them.

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Chemical hysteria!!!! Chemicals are deadly. Chemicals are bad.

Guess what? Many chemicals come from nature. Heck, many are derived from plants themselves.

The most simple definition of cancer is the abnormal rapid growth of cells. Many factors can affect our systems that control cell growth period.

There are many different issues with cancer, and different kinds of cancer. Do you know that many cancers have a genetic link or predisposition? Look at breast cancer, it definitely has a genetic link.

The study of toxicology tells us that a chemical exposure alone isn't what makes it dangerous. It is the dose.

Guess what alcohol is poisonous! Does that mean that having a beer every weekend is going to kill you? Nope.

Fact is the air quality, water quality, and pollution in general are below the levels of the original Clean Air Act and Clean Water Act set as goals, but you won't hear it due the the liberal environmentalist.

MHO is that as many diseases are cured and eliminated cancer is a by-product of aging or just plain unhealthy behaviors conducted by those living longer.

Fact is you can't take a complex problem that has so many different variables, and make it fit in a neat peg hole.

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So, if you want to blame it on feeds, why don't you make your own feed? your a farmer (right?) so you could easily take scraps from a butcher cow, pig, deer you hunt ect and feed your dogs with it, and if your one of the type people that think dogs need grains and veggies, then you could also easily take some from your harvest, then you would know that your dogs are only getting the "best" or at least as good as you eat. I currently feed my dogs raw, and I'll tell you what, it's cheaper, they sh!t less, their poop doesn't stink, their coats are shinier, they eat less and look better. Heck my male dog is a HARD HARD HARD keeper on kibble and by golly, hes gettin fat on raw. they seem to be taking the heat better (at least I KNOW my male is but I've only had my female since Feb so I cant tell you about her) they have more stamina and just all around look/act healthier.

I'm not trying to push you to feed raw, but if your going to blame the feed you buy your dogs for causing their cancer, why don't you try cutting that out and see if yous still have the same results?

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Chemical hysteria!!!! Chemicals are deadly. Chemicals are bad.

Guess what? Many chemicals come from nature. Heck, many are derived from plants themselves.

The most simple definition of cancer is the abnormal rapid growth of cells. Many factors can affect our systems that control cell growth period.

There are many different issues with cancer, and different kinds of cancer. Do you know that many cancers have a genetic link or predisposition? Look at breast cancer, it definitely has a genetic link.

The study of toxicology tells us that a chemical exposure alone isn't what makes it dangerous. It is the dose.

Guess what alcohol is poisonous! Does that mean that having a beer every weekend is going to kill you? Nope.

Fact is the air quality, water quality, and pollution in general are below the levels of the original Clean Air Act and Clean Water Act set as goals, but you won't hear it due the the liberal environmentalist.

MHO is that as many diseases are cured and eliminated cancer is a by-product of aging or just plain unhealthy behaviors conducted by those living longer.

Fact is you can't take a complex problem that has so many different variables, and make it fit in a neat peg hole.

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I'm planning on substituting with satin balls or some sort of butcher scrap / meat product . We don't raise livestock . Only grain , I was actually considering shooting an extra doe this fall for dog food

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Yep I feed my dogs raw and I love it! Knock on wood, I've been in hounds now for 11 years and I've never had a dog with a serious health issue. The only hounds I've had die were from gettin hit by cars.

I think it has a lot to do with the different chemicals put into everything these days. I suppose you could do everything all natural but you can't change the stuff they pick up out hunting. It's definitely sad to see the increase of cancer in our dogs

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