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I'm still in the air with garmin rule sometime like it sometimes don't. 3 dog cast all dogs struck in my dog trees in a deep holler other two dogs keep going score my tree. Can not hear other dog trailing but using their garmin guys know there dogs are clearly out if hearing. Last place we heard them was back behind us on top of ridge but dogs are in front of us a good way. Argument starts when do you start the 8 go back last place we heard dogs clearly which is farther away or go closer to them?? The dog where still running deeper guys knew we was never gonna hear them but if they couldn't use there garmin there no way there could have ever been an argument. They wouldn't start the 8 or let me cut loose it was 2 on 1...

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why would you go backward to where you last heard them when you know they are in front of you????


start the 8 right now and walk towards where you know they are!!!

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Examples like this is just one of many that verify that letting us use garmins in hunts is the craziest rule I've ever heard. Being able to use your Garmin doesn't change the rules that we have competed by for years but with Garmin in hand a lot of people going forward will sure forget those rules trying to get an advantage.

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Some casts want you to look at the garmin and move forward and others live by the rules. I personally won't pull out the garmin in the cast if I'm worried about the depth of the dog unless the cast is okay with it. A quick simple question can really save the headache. JMO

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Cant understand why there would be an argument. you know where the dogs are, you know which direction will most likely get you to where you can hear them. Start the 8 and walk that way, stopping along the way to listen. Who would argue to walk further away from them.

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The rules are clear.....walk to last place you heard dog(s) and start the 8. Once it's started you can move in what ever direction you think you can best hear the dogs. As soon as they refused to go back to the last place you could hear the dogs they should have been scratched IMO. The Garmin rule is clear you can't use it to help score a dog.....there for you go back to the last place you heard the dog(s)!

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The rules are clear.....walk to last place you heard dog(s) and start the 8. Once it's started you can move in what ever direction you think you can best hear the dogs. As soon as they refused to go back to the last place you could hear the dogs they should have been scratched IMO. The Garmin rule is clear you can't use it to help score a dog.....there for you go back to the last place you heard the dog(s)!

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I guess UKC. will have to address that it is no longer required to always hike back to the last place the out of pocket dog was heard when the handler can plainly see that his dog may now be in a different direction and the 8 can be started immediatly, saving hunt time and unnecessary walking.

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April addition 2014 coonhound advisor The Eight Minute Clock And Telemetry it starts out with a question but is answers like this. Skipping one sentence Allen Gingerich Says this. In the past it was protocol to go back to last spot you heard dog D before starting the eight minute clock although you won't find any such rule in the rule book UKC has always supported this courtesy Common sense suggests it is the fairest and right thing to do when you may have walked out of hearing of a trailing dog to score a tree Any way if you guys would read this column on page 84 in the CHB it will help you out

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This just doesn't sound that hard to me-treed dog is scored and judge says lets go back to where we last heard the dogs and start the 8. My dog is struck and I happen to know (by whatever means-garmin or I heard him) that my dog is closer to us now than where we last heard him, so I say "awe heck judge just start that 8 right here and lets walk that direction a while." Weather I have a garmin or not and before or after the garmin rule if the handler of a struck dog agrees to start the 8 at the location we just scored another dog, why in the world would anyone try to make him go backwards to do it?

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My gosh people If everyone would use common sense and quit looking for a way to downgrade the use of the garmin there would be a lot less confusion. In this situation the garmin probably just saved you a bunch of walking and hunt time. Start the 8 and walk or stand there and listen. How is this using a garmin to score dogs? They still have to be heard before the 8 is up or take minus. If you hear them cut the dog on leash loose and let the hunt roll on.

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The rules are clear.....walk to last place you heard dog(s) and start the 8. Once it's started you can move in what ever direction you think you can best hear the dogs. As soon as they refused to go back to the last place you could hear the dogs they should have been scratched IMO. The Garmin rule is clear you can't use it to help score a dog.....there for you go back to the last place you heard the dog(s)!

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It's funny when people are so sure but before I stick my neck out there I at least get the rule book and make sure I'm clear on what I'm talking about makes for less imbarrasing moments it's not something to use to be a d@&& on a cast but if it speeds up a long unneeded walk I'm for not going back to last spot you heard them

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The way the rules are now you could pull out a beep beep tracker and pin point the direction the dogs are and not have to go to the last place you heard them either.

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So my question is start the 8 right from my tree or how far do I let them walk to hear there dogs just say they are over a mile an one if them are the judge you know they are going to walk till they can hear to start the 8.

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RULE # 3. At no time may a handler demand the cast walk in the direction of a hound that has not been heard opening. The judge, or majority of the cast when hunting judge is used, may agree to walk in that direction.

So, you NEED to have a majority(or non hunting judge) to either head toward their dogs, or to not head toward them, and based on the decision made, as to when you start the 8. Sounds like they should have started the 8 right there after your tree was scored. Anyone who wouldn't head toward them would be out of their mind to do something like that.

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For you guys saying you'd be crazy not to head toward those dogs...


What happens when tree is scored and your little gadget shows 1 dog 1000 yards north and another 1000 yards south and 2 dogs on a leash? Can't hear either dog..for fun..strike was split 4 ways so can't say goto one with more strike points...

I saw that...and it was a cluster..not long ago no one would ever know what dogs were where...guess what? We went hunting..either went back to where they were last heard or climbed the highest hill around or went to where the guide said we had our best chances to hear them...

Its called getting out of pocket...and sometimes it IS a fault and sometimes those dogs deserve their minus IMO...I hunt a get gone and get treed dog...but I've seen some in hunts just flat out get out of hearing every drop..I've seen many burn a deer or fox or coyote and fall treed a longgggg ways later..

In the above scenario 2 dogs were treed...why'd the other 2 have to go so far? Sometimes its just how it goes...but sometimes its a fault with the dog...now all the sudden those dogs can be chased around instead of the 8 getting them...

I hunt hill country...but if I start the 8 at a tree it'd be very rare for me not to get into hearing of a dog I knew what direction it was here..unless it ran a deer a couple miles and still going...

A bad night and coon not moving well I understand dogs getting far/out of hearing...but I see dogs here from time to time that can be turnt loose in a half acre sweet corn patch with 30 coon in it and it still ends up out of hearing every drop...


Lots of different things to look at....I really don't like how it went from not allowed to allowed 110% with very vague rules and clarification...


I've found if its a good night here no one even pulls theirs out...but on a night it isn't quick strikes and good tracks guys are tripping over twigs following them around and fighting over which dogs to walk towards....

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For you guys saying you'd be crazy not to head toward those dogs...


What happens when tree is scored and your little gadget shows 1 dog 1000 yards north and another 1000 yards south and 2 dogs on a leash? Can't hear either dog..for fun..strike was split 4 ways so can't say goto one with more strike points...

I saw that...and it was a cluster..not long ago no one would ever know what dogs were where...guess what? We went hunting..either went back to where they were last heard or climbed the highest hill around or went to where the guide said we had our best chances to hear them...

Its called getting out of pocket...and sometimes it IS a fault and sometimes those dogs deserve their minus IMO...I hunt a get gone and get treed dog...but I've seen some in hunts just flat out get out of hearing every drop..I've seen many burn a deer or fox or coyote and fall treed a longgggg ways late

In the above scenario 2 dogs were treed...why'd the other 2 have to go so far? Sometimes its just how it goes...but sometimes its a fault with the dog...now all the sudden those dogs can be chased around instead of the 8 getting them...

I hunt hill country...but if I start the 8 at a tree it'd be very rare for me not to get into hearing of a dog I knew what direction it was here..unless it ran a deer a couple miles and still going...

A bad night and coon not moving well I understand dogs getting far/out of hearing...but I see dogs here from time to time that can be turnt loose in a half acre sweet corn patch with 30 coon in it and it still ends up out of hearing every drop...


Lots of different things to look at....I really don't like how it went from not allowed to allowed 110% with very vague rules and clarification...


I've found if its a good night here no one even pulls theirs out...but on a night it isn't quick strikes and good tracks guys are tripping over twigs following them around and fighting over which dogs to walk towards....

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For you guys saying you'd be crazy not to head toward those dogs...


What happens when tree is scored and your little gadget shows 1 dog 1000 yards north and another 1000 yards south and 2 dogs on a leash? Can't hear either dog..for fun..strike was split 4 ways so can't say goto one with more strike points...

I saw that...and it was a cluster..not long ago no one would ever know what dogs were where...guess what? We went hunting..either went back to where they were last heard or climbed the highest hill around or went to where the guide said we had our best chances to hear them...

Its called getting out of pocket...and sometimes it IS a fault and sometimes those dogs deserve their minus IMO...I hunt a get gone and get treed dog...but I've seen some in hunts just flat out get out of hearing every drop..I've seen many burn a deer or fox or coyote and fall treed a longgggg ways later..

In the above scenario 2 dogs were treed...why'd the other 2 have to go so far? Sometimes its just how it goes...but sometimes its a fault with the dog...now all the sudden those dogs can be chased around instead of the 8 getting them...

I hunt hill country...but if I start the 8 at a tree it'd be very rare for me not to get into hearing of a dog I knew what direction it was here..unless it ran a deer a couple miles and still going...

A bad night and coon not moving well I understand dogs getting far/out of hearing...but I see dogs here from time to time that can be turnt loose in a half acre sweet corn patch with 30 coon in it and it still ends up out of hearing every drop...


Lots of different things to look at....I really don't like how it went from not allowed to allowed 110% with very vague rules and clarification...


I've found if its a good night here no one even pulls theirs out...but on a night it isn't quick strikes and good tracks guys are tripping over twigs following them around and fighting over which dogs to walk towards....

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You can go back to where you last heard them or stay where your at let the guys with the dogs out of hearing make the choice.but when they pull out the garmins to see where the dogs are were not going to walk that direction.stay and start the eight.

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when they pull out the garmins to see where the dogs are were not going to walk that direction.stay and start the eight.

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So if the dogs can't be heard why can you use the tracker to find out where they went. Doesn't that break the rule of using the tracking system to influence the scoring of a dog? If you can't hear them you start the 8. After the 8 runs out can't you call time and use the tracker to get the dog? Am I way off on the advisor in December 2013 interpretation of the new telemetry rule?

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What are you going to do when majority agrees to walk?
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You don't have to move there is no vote its not a rule one person says no that's all it takes.

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You don't have to move there is no vote its not a rule one person says no that's all it takes.

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