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the way i read this to me it sounds like you can use an alpha where the training code is not in it, therefore you can not shock them or tone. i have an alpha collar that i took the prongs out of and dont even have the train code in for that i run on my old dog and wanna know if im a loud to use it.

Question is am i reading it wrong?

"Any handheld device capable of controlling (stimulating or toning) a dog may not be carried or
used during the hunt unless the controlling features are disabled. Disabled is defined as; the
feature is not capable of functioning when in the “on” position and the handler could not enable
the feature at any time during the hunt."

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UKC. says no Alphas may be carried

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Take battery out and use during timeouts only

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From what I have observed so far this year, no one, not judges, handlers, MOH's or clubs are treating the Alpha any differently than the Astro. It appears to be similar to the old rule about scoring dogs in order, the rule is there, plainly stated and completely ignored by almost everyone.

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Take battery out and use during timeouts only

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Whatever happened to common sense and integrity. I sure in the h#$l don't need a garmin in the hunt and can't stand to watch guys looking at them the whole time the hunt is going on but to me disabled is disabled no battery no power. What part of disable do I not understand??

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What part of incapable do you not understand. Just because it want work it's still capable when you put the battery or prongs back in

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But it is OK to call time out and go back to truck and track my dog makes sense don't it

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We use the terms UKC gives which is disabled. When you disable the functions you are not capable of using controlling features. I might b wrong with where I'm going with this but I am allowed to track a dog during time out periods with an alpha if not then I've been misinformed and read rules wrong

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Yes you can use your Alpha during a timeout, during a timeout you cannot effect the scoreing of another handlers dog. Seems pretty simple to understand.

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Yeah I just reread it. Not trying to sound argumentive about this but I hope you see where I'm coming from on this. I don't care to have alpha on during hunt. But if a timeout is called and for some reason I can't call my dog in I could simply pop battery back in and find dog. Instead of going back to truck. With that being said would you not agree no battery would disable the whole track in and training feature. I realize what UKC says.

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Here's my deal with this rule and I don't even own an alpha! But Ukc rules are for safety of the dogs and if I have my 220 and jack has his 320 and joe has his alpha and has to leave it in the truck and were hunting and the dogs are getting close to a highway or a dangerous place me and jack can look and see where our dogs are but what about joes dog? How does he know where his dog is? Maybe it's in danger maybe it's not how does he know? He could go back and look if close enough to the truck but by then it may be too late. If I owned an alpha if prob quit Ukc hunts like I know a lot of people are. JMO.

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Yeah I just reread it. Not trying to sound argumentive about this but I hope you see where I'm coming from on this. I don't care to have alpha on during hunt. But if a timeout is called and for some reason I can't call my dog in I could simply pop battery back in and find dog. Instead of going back to truck. With that being said would you not agree no battery would disable the whole track in and training feature. I realize what UKC says.

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Take battery out and use during timeouts only

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Any handheld device capable of controlling a dog (stimulating or toning) unless controlling feature can be an is disabled while unit is in the on position must be left in the vehicle an May not be used. If you take out the prongs it will still tone in the on position I think the on position part is what gets you

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I understand what the rules say men but my only point is this when we first started carrying garmins in hunts they were to b left in the off position which is basically what you r doing with the alphas battery pulled out. I'm not saying that if I pull my battery out that I can carry it. This is UKC ruling. What I am saying if a unit is disfunctional how the hell am I going to use it? If i give the judge the battery all I have is a piece of rubber and plastic. That piece of rubber and plastic does not constitute scratching

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Originally posted by Coonhunter34
Any handheld device capable of controlling a dog (stimulating or toning) unless controlling feature can be an is disabled while unit is in the on position must be left in the vehicle an May not be used. If you take out the prongs it will still tone in the on position I think the on position part is what gets you

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Originally posted by TJ Turner
yes but if the training code is not in it then you cant tone either. its like having a 220 or 320!!

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Myself I think if you turn off the training feature on the alpha you are disabling the ability to shock or tone a dog. If you are worried about someone using a gamin alpha to win a hunt then you need more dog power. But I think if the rule says if you can use any device that has training ability disabled. Then removing the training code in the alpha should be sufficient. If anyone caught using the training feature during a hunt should be barred for a certain amount of time. Jmo

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You guys sure like to beat a dead horse.....

UKC made a ruling that Alpha's are not allowed to be carried or used during the hunt EXCEPT during time outs and they also stated and posted what their interpretation of DISABLED is. Batteries out and prongs removed does not constitute DISABLED.

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You guys sure like to beat a dead horse.....

UKC made a ruling that Alpha's are not allowed to be carried or used during the hunt EXCEPT during time outs and they also stated and posted what their interpretation of DISABLED is. Batteries out and prongs removed does not constitute DISABLED.

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Originally posted by Chall123
x2 If you want to carry your Garmin in the hunts go back to the 320 No use to beat a dead horse anymore!

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Originally posted by BlueTickNC
I have a alpha and I carry it on every UKC hunt I've been on this year I keep it off till time out is called I was on one grand nite cast where we all had alphas and keep them on the only people that will scratch you for having it with you Is a cry baby that doesn't have the dog power to beat you!!!!!!

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The judge told me I could keep it with me so I did but it was off so why you crying and nobody won the cast that night so you have anything else to cry bout!!!!
And one cast we all had alphas we all turned them on at one point because of the hounds near a major highway pretty dumb that UKC dont let us carry them but that's OK I prefer PKC anyway

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The judge told me I could keep it with me so I did but it was off so why you crying and nobody won the cast that night so you have anything else to cry bout!!!!
And one cast we all had alphas we all turned them on at one point because of the hounds near a major highway pretty dumb that UKC dont let us carry them but that's OK I prefer PKC anyway

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