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I would like to see the rule changed for UKC World Hunt ( FINAL CAST ONLY ) . The cast winner will be crowned WORLD CHAMPION and the rest of the cast placed 2nd thru 4th even if they don't have plus points ! They have all had to have plus points to get there and had to hunt alone with plus points also . Anything can happen that late in the game , and it's not fair to HOUND or HANDLER not to receive their recognition . If they all get scratched then go to the scores they had at time of being scratched . Not wanting to start a bunch of arguing just would like for the right people to see this --- again !!! Thanks !

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Hmmm I don't know but I don't think I'd like calling a dog a world champion or 2nd, 3rd or 4th if they were all scratched for something. I will agree that it's an incredible feat for both dog and handler to make it to the final cast of a world hunt. That's just my opinion for what it's worth.

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GOOD CALL DONNIE WHEN A MAN MAKES IT THAT FAR HE DESERVES WHAT EVER PLACE HE COMES IN LOL

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GOOD CALL DONNIE WHEN A MAN MAKES IT THAT FAR HE DESERVES WHAT EVER PLACE HE COMES IN LOL

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Sorry Donnie but I can't agree on this one, The final four is supposed to be the best of the best, crowning a World Ch without plus points just don't seem right.....Jeff

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Sorry Donnie but I can't agree on this one, The final four is supposed to be the best of the best, crowning a World Ch without plus points just don't seem right.....Jeff

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The best have bad nights too, a winner there should be

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Sorry Donnie but I can't agree on this one, The final four is supposed to be the best of the best, crowning a World Ch without plus points just don't seem right.....Jeff

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In the final cast at the end of the two hours no dog has plus points, then as far as a World Champion there isn't one! No overtimes!

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I think that final cast should just stay in the woods until someones dog trees a coon.

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No plus points no winner at that point. Go into overtime, first tree scored with coon in it OT is over and dog with most plus points wins. OT lasts until a coon is treed. You will have a winner and the rest can place according to score. If only one dog has plus points after OT then the others can place based on their original final cast score.

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No plus points no winner at that point. Go into overtime, first tree scored with coon in it OT is over and dog with most plus points wins. OT lasts until a coon is treed. You will have a winner and the rest can place according to score. If only one dog has plus points after OT then the others can place based on their original final cast score.

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I guess I don't understand the need to change the system currently in place. Very seldom has the Final Four gone into overtime (it did in '12) and only one time in 33 years has there been no world champion crowned. That means 32 out of 33 years we've had a champion. If you won 32 out of 33 casts with you're dog I'd say you wouldn't want to change a thing.

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My reason for this thought is by the time you get to the final cast , a lot of the ground has been hunted hard , weather has been a factor , and people and hounds have spent a lot of time and money to get where they are. They have had to have plus points every cast to get there , even by theirselves and all 4 dogs are on the same ground. So what is the point of plus points as long as you have a cast winner . Does this make the dog any less of a winner ? NO !! And Paul I see what you are saying , but I think Murphfeesboro, Tn. had trouble years ago also. I just don't think it is fair to hound or handler if this would happen . And stranger things have happened !!

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how could it be fair to use the scores from two different cast. If you go to over time everyone should get a clean slate. I do agree the winner should have plus points, but using two different score cards is just crazy

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I guess I don't understand the need to change the system currently in place. Very seldom has the Final Four gone into overtime (it did in '12) and only one time in 33 years has there been no world champion crowned. That means 32 out of 33 years we've had a champion. If you won 32 out of 33 casts with you're dog I'd say you wouldn't want to change a thing.

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What I was saying is there shouldn't be a over time for the final cast! If the best in the world don't have plus points at the end of the two hour hunt then that means no world champion for that year, why should they get a second chance to score plus? No other dogs get a second chance on the way to the final four!

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What I was saying is there shouldn't be a over time for the final cast! If the best in the world don't have plus points at the end of the two hour hunt then that means no world champion for that year, why should they get a second chance to score plus? No other dogs get a second chance on the way to the final four!

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your right there should never be OT. either there is a wld ch or not. simple as that.

I wonder though, how many remember the 88 world championship...it was won with + points (75+ to be exact) in the final few minuts of the cast, much to the annoyance of the field reps at the time, and the dog who won never had any part of treeing the coon or running the track that got it there. he came in in the last cpl minutes of the tree-hunt and COVERED the female who did (she had too much minuse for the tree to bring her to the plus side)

he had been too busy running a coyote all night to tree coons or draw much minus .........

the rest of the cast was waiting for the hunt time to run out so a new OT hunt could be ran

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your right there should never be OT. either there is a wld ch or not. simple as that.

I wonder though, how many remember the 88 world championship...it was won with + points (75+ to be exact) in the final few minuts of the cast, much to the annoyance of the field reps at the time, and the dog who won never had any part of treeing the coon or running the track that got it there. he came in in the last cpl minutes of the tree-hunt and COVERED the female who did (she had too much minuse for the tree to bring her to the plus side)

he had been too busy running a coyote all night to tree coons or draw much minus .........

the rest of the cast was waiting for the hunt time to run out so a new OT hunt could be ran

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It sounds to me that a lot of people here have never been to the finial cast and understand what it takes to get that far.I beleave there should be a winner they have proven themselves. The way some of you are talking we should just do away with circle trees and just have plus or minus.Just because theres a hole or leaves on that means you see a coon no chances or benefit.

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I think you're thinking of the wrong year. 1988 is the year Kansas Sizzlin Heat won it. It wasn't pretty either, but it was won fair-and-square by Heat with 75+.

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heat is exactly who I was talking about

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maybe you would like to post the scorecard

I promise you I know heat WAY better than you ever did

he was owned and raised by JD Nickols just north of me in rich hill mo till he was 6 and cannon bought him.

he was never fully broke from deer and coyotes despite several good trainers best efforts. in fact jim wore out a tri tronics shock collar trying to do just that.

jim bought him when he couldn't get roy howell to sell saber, and won the world hunt roughly 6 months later.

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You mean this scorecard:


I'm going to disagree with Paul's statement that Smokey's minus is due to leaving trees. I've heard a different version from a Field Rep that was there.

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maybe you would like to post the scorecard

I promise you I know heat WAY better than you ever did

he was owned and raised by JD Nickols just north of me in rich hill mo till he was 6 and cannon bought him.

he was never fully broke from deer and coyotes despite several good trainers best efforts. in fact jim wore out a tri tronics shock collar trying to do just that.

jim bought him when he couldn't get roy howell to sell saber, and won the world hunt roughly 6 months later.


funny thing about it all, the head of ukc field ops at the time has crowned a plot wld ch in a cpl other kc's as well.....they seem to win them when he is in control and never again.

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I have no doubt you probably knew Heat way better than I do. I was 4 when he won the World Hunt so I didn't get to hunt with him any.

I think if you go back to your original post with your account of the 1988 Final Four, it does not, in any way, match with the scorecard John D just posted. All I have to go off of is the coverage in the December 1988 issue of COONHOUND BLOODLINES which has this very picture of the scorecard in it.

Heat may have been a coyote and deer running fool, I don't know. I do know he beat 3 other male dogs in the final cast of the 1988 UKC Coonhound World Championship fair and square.

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