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only if it was so.

How many times have you heard people say that I know of Grand Nite Champions that wont tree their own coon? This is not just a saying but the absolute truth. Get a dog by itself and it will take it all night, but put it with a house cat and it will go hunting and if its a real good me to dog then boy you really got something.

I make a motion that UKC looks into starting a new process that will be noted on all UKC reg papers so as to this will be the new "thing" that people want in a pedigree instead of an "ALL GRAND". This motion will help clubs at all levels bring in more revenue and it will up the playing field of all UKC coonhounds. Here is my motion, I am sure its been thought of and discussed before but I dont know and that is, "Before a UKC Registered Dog can hunt in a UKC lic nite hunt, it must be HTX title!" This will so change the playing field of Nite Hunts.

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Brad, what would be gained by making 95% of the current entries ineligible to enter a hunt? Silver Lake had 17 dogs last night. Under your new rule they wouldn't have had 4.
I know the quick reply is we will get the HTX if we are required to but that is flat wrong. Anyone who thinks UKC could ever force feed HTX to the masses is out of touch with reality and UKC knows that.
I also think all this stuff about the Grands that won't hunt alone or can't tree a coon is fine conversation and not much else. Everybody grips about them but nobody has one. Brad, how many of your GrNts couldn't tree a coon or wouldn't hunt alone? It's always someone elses dog.
You will see a guy on here one week talking about cheap titles because a dog won't or can't tree a coon alone and the next week, the same guy will be back here talking about cheap cast wins because the dog hunted alone all night. Which is it?
It's just talk. If you go to the hunts, you know what everyone has and everyone knows what you got.

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How you doing buddy? Jim I always admire and 90 % of time agree with your inteligent statments you have alot of wisdom. To answer that question its quite simple and very easy. Thats a great point, heres how to fix that. All dogs are elgible to compete in all nite hunts to gain Nite Champion and Grand Nite Champion status but before it is reflected that dog has to have HTX title before or after it makes Nite Champion or Grand Nite Champion status, this way you would not be taking away from anything that already is but yet increasing what already should.

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my question is . if these dogs deserve to be titled then what is the problem. it would just be one more title on the dog. and take
away some of the wonder of if its nt ch grnt ch titles are legit.

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I disagree Jim, when I have not hunted a UKC hunt in ages and goto one and the dog that wins the cast is because its a me to er, then the next week you see that dog left alone for 40 min and it dont hardly hunt I believe they are more Grands and Nite champions that are titled out that really does not hunt, requiring that the dog receive HTX title before its Gr or Nite Ch status is effective would really show who has a dog that trees its own coon and it would increase the masses to the clubs to get the HTX title, I believe its a win win situation.

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also no dog should be on the bench unless it can tree a coon

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Tim ever wonder why the UKC beagles cant show on the bench unless they are entered in the hunt??? Why cant we do that for coon dogs? this would be another great way to see revenues for clubs up, to many clubs closing due to revenue.

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I disagree Jim, when I have not hunted a UKC hunt in ages and goto one and the dog that wins the cast is because its a me to er, then the next week you see that dog left alone for 40 min and it dont hardly hunt I believe they are more Grands and Nite champions that are titled out that really does not hunt, requiring that the dog receive HTX title before its Gr or Nite Ch status is effective would really show who has a dog that trees its own coon and it would increase the masses to the clubs to get the HTX title, I believe its a win win situation.

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That's my point. It's always the other guys Grand that ain't worth a dam. And it's always "oh no, MY grand will tree'em alone all night long". Whatever.......

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Dont mind you asking at all, but I am mindful enough to not personally call out another mans dog. Lets say its my dog. Yep I will claim its my dog thats a Grand did it all by getting first, second strike then getting 2nd tree and staying out of trouble. I feel like my dog should prove hes worthy of that Grand Nite title and the HTX format does just that. That a dog can go out under 3 different judges for 1 hour at a time, stay out of trouble and tree its own real live raccoon otherwise really what is a Grand Nite title or Nite Ch title? They can easily be titles that was earned under the power of other hounds. I am all about seeing quality not quanity in a pedigree and this will show it. If a mans got a real coon treer he would not object to proving it and what better way than an HTX title before Grand Nite or Nite Champion title is reflected on its pedigree? And let me say I am thinking counter productive for these dying clubs to.

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Men, I hardly ever get on these forms anymore, so I dont keep up. But I have personally seen dogs in Nite Ch cast that would not go hunting unless it had something to take it hunting. You all remember the Banjo dog I had shot and killed. He was an incredible coon treer only if he had something to take it hunting. Banjo would split almost every time but I am telling you if you dropped him by himself he would go and get under the truck he would have never got an HTX title. Craziest thing I ever saw.

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Dont mind you asking at all, but I am mindful enough to not personally call out another mans dog. Lets say its my dog. Yep I will claim its my dog thats a Grand did it all by getting first, second strike then getting 2nd tree and staying out of trouble. I feel like my dog should prove hes worthy of that Grand Nite title and the HTX format does just that. That a dog can go out under 3 different judges for 1 hour at a time, stay out of trouble and tree its own real live raccoon otherwise really what is a Grand Nite title or Nite Ch title? They can easily be titles that was earned under the power of other hounds. I am all about seeing quality not quanity in a pedigree and this will show it. If a mans got a real coon treer he would not object to proving it and what better way than an HTX title before Grand Nite or Nite Champion title is reflected on its pedigree? And let me say I am thinking counter productive for these dying clubs to.

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You know in Europe a Hound is Tested alone and judged by a group of Judges before their even handed Breeding Papers ..

So I really don't know why they couldn't Test a Hound and Grade it but it does take a Group of unbisas Judges ..

They put a hound thru the Ringer .. Conformation and Abilities .. Strike, Track and Endurance .. We only need to Add the Tree and Stay at the tree ..

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The same people that title dogs like that will find ways to get a title no matter what

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Men, I hardly ever get on these forms anymore, so I dont keep up. But I have personally seen dogs in Nite Ch cast that would not go hunting unless it had something to take it hunting. You all remember the Banjo dog I had shot and killed. He was an incredible coon treer only if he had something to take it hunting. Banjo would split almost every time but I am telling you if you dropped him by himself he would go and get under the truck he would have never got an HTX title. Craziest thing I ever saw.

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also no dog should be on the bench unless it can tree a coon

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I would like to hunt the HTX hunts but to me the grand nite title is more important.When I finish them to grand and if i have nothing else to hunt I will hunt in the htx hunts.I would enjoy the htx hunts if they were considered as important to everybody as the nite hunts.I know 1 grand nite that Ive drawn out with several times that hasnt got a first tree yet.Alot of first strikes and the dogs he backs up will have the coon.

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I understand why I dont post on here much. To answer questions, the dog or dogs I am talking about are not advertised stud dogs, its amazing how one can post a topic and it goes to stud dogs. For those who like to call out peoples dogs and hurt feelings, thats just not very mindful, I would suggest to go get gossip from someone else I am not like that.

Banjo was not a Grand Nite Champion, but easily would have been if he was not killed. He was not a me to dog but for some reason he would not hunt alone, so you tell me Mr. Thomas was he deserving of a Nite Ch title which he had?

I will say that I have a 4 year old Walker male who is a Dual Grand HTX title PKC CH. He is a a 5th Gen all grand, do I advertise him in the magazines nope, its a joke. Very few and I mean you have a better chance at winning the world hunt then having any kind of chance at making it as a successful breeder=making money at it. I do put a supporting ad in the Walker Year book from time to time to help the Walker Assc not that I would think someone would call me to breed to my dog for $5000 but nobody called me when I advertised him for free as a SS and Performance sire neither lol.

The point is dont we want our dogs better and to breed to coon dogs that will tree there own coon? Dont we want a way that will force the hands of competitors to support the clubs more? Just trying to brain storm a little bit, but the same reason I dont hunt much of the hunts anymore is you get people on here that want to insult, ridicule, make fun and act the very way high schoolers act.

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I understand why I dont post on here much. To answer questions, the dog or dogs I am talking about are not advertised stud dogs, its amazing how one can post a topic and it goes to stud dogs. For those who like to call out peoples dogs and hurt feelings, thats just not very mindful, I would suggest to go get gossip from someone else I am not like that.

Banjo was not a Grand Nite Champion, but easily would have been if he was not killed. He was not a me to dog but for some reason he would not hunt alone, so you tell me Mr. Thomas was he deserving of a Nite Ch title which he had?

I will say that I have a 4 year old Walker male who is a Dual Grand HTX title PKC CH. He is a a 5th Gen all grand, do I advertise him in the magazines nope, its a joke. Very few and I mean you have a better chance at winning the world hunt then having any kind of chance at making it as a successful breeder=making money at it. I do put a supporting ad in the Walker Year book from time to time to help the Walker Assc not that I would think someone would call me to breed to my dog for $5000 but nobody called me when I advertised him for free as a SS and Performance sire neither lol.

The point is dont we want our dogs better and to breed to coon dogs that will tree there own coon? Dont we want a way that will force the hands of competitors to support the clubs more? Just trying to brain storm a little bit, but the same reason I dont hunt much of the hunts anymore is you get people on here that want to insult, ridicule, make fun and act the very way high schoolers act.

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i think brad is just mad because he minused out last night, maybe he should try and take the ukc to court too.

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answer this.... what rule states you have to be able to tree a coon alone to make nt ch or gr nt ch.... none that i know of.... all you have to do is beat the competition.... you want an htx title go get you one..... on second thought if this dog beats you what do you have

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Lol who is this to say i was mad? We all minused out, the only reason I even hunted in the hunt was I was asked to come and judge the bench show and they took care of the entry, first UKC hunt I hunted in 2 years probably will be my last cause of people like you that causes trouble by making idiotic statements like you just made. The only coon treed in our cast my dog had first and first and then he fell in love with one of the females!!!! Not mad here bro. So be brave my friend and tell me your name.

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Don't matter what kind of title it is , guys want to see them only because they are too lazy to go see the dog hunt for themselves !

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Brad, HTX title does not mean no more than a GRNITE title. It does not proove nothing. I have already seen how these titles can be earned and it can be with a dog that does not go hunting by itself. Does not matter what title you want on a dog, it can be earned by a potlicker. These hunts are no better than the people that are in them and if you think you can put anymore merit into a HTX title than a GRNITE title, then you need to come back down to earth.

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